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The Death Star trench run — Page 2

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doubleofive said:

NeverarGreat said:

The one thing I never noticed was that the dish bisected the equatorial trench in the plans. I wonder if that is something Ady will fix for his new Star Wars Revisited project.

He did that almost 10 years ago now:

But he is changing it back thanks to Rogue One, I believe with the argument the Story Group came up with that the plans contain all of the variations and each one had the exhaust port.

Looks like the original design was actually built. Kind of too close to home for me though 😃

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/01/26/saturns-moon-sparks-death-star-comparisons.html

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Thanks for posting that blog link Jay, as it’s the first time I’ve ever seen that early ‘matte painting’ of the original Death Star with it’s ‘weapon dish’ in the CENTRE! - I didn’t know that the guy who did the ‘computer graphic readouts’ was unfortunately given this initial version to work from…and that it was too late/costly to re-do them correctly after it was decided to MOVE the location of the 'weapon dish.

www.cinetropolis.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/star-wars-death-star-matte.jpg

That certain EXPLAINS the discrepancy concerning the look of the ‘plans’ in the original movie to me, after all these years!

The correction done by adywan for his STAR WARS REVISITED edit happened to be one of my favourite enhancements, but I see he’s planning on KEEPING the original ‘plans’ for his HD makeover now…thanks to ROGUE ONE retrospectively suggesting that the stolen ‘plans’ show an ‘earlier design’ of the Death Star to begin with.

However, I’m glad to see that this particular footage discontinuity in EPISODE IV has been smoothed out now, seeing as the original discrepancy has been made a non-issue thanks to ROGUE ONE.

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Side note: the original Death Star 2D matte painting was done by Ralph McQuarrie.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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Hmmm…

Matte painting and model don’t match because it’s a different trench.

…or…

Matte painting and model don’t match because it’s a movie.

By the way… It’s crazy to think that nearly everybody still thinks that the YT-1300 freighter that we first see in this shot:

…is the Millennium Falcon.

In fact if you watch that scene again you’ll notice that it is never referred to as such in the actual scene. A shoot out occurs where Han kills some Stormtroopers and then we see a long shot of a different YT-1300 freighter leaving Mos Eisley in this shot:

How do we know this? Because the unnamed ship in the hangar does not have the distinctive radar dish that we see in all other shots of the Falcon. I bet you never noticed it before but it’s as clear as day. Obviously Han and co did a quick switch of ships to put the Imperials off the scent.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Hmmm…

Matte painting and model don’t match because it’s a different trench.

…or…

Matte painting and model don’t match because it’s a movie.

By the way… It’s crazy to think that nearly everybody still thinks that the YT-1300 freighter that we first see in this shot:

…is the Millennium Falcon.

In fact if you watch that scene again you’ll notice that it is never referred to as such in the actual scene. A shoot out occurs where Han kills some Stormtroopers and then we see a long shot of a different YT-1300 freighter leaving Mos Eisley in this shot:

How do we know this? Because the unnamed ship in the hangar does not have the distinctive radar dish that we see in all other shots of the Falcon. I bet you never noticed it before but it’s as clear as day. Obviously Han and co did a quick switch of ships to put the Imperials off the scent.

This here? This here’s damn near the perfect post respectin’ this p’ticular topic.

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One thing I’ve noticed looking at the Death Star more: You can actually see some deep lines running up to the North Pole of the Death Star in the few shots you can see its poles clearly. Now, being that the entire surface is designed to give the illusion that the surface is uneven, that doesn’t mean much, but I consider that relevant.

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ray_afraid said:

Oh, we’ve noticed…

Actually, in the original version, not only is the dish missing, but so is the entire right side! 😃

Yes, I’m sure everyone here was aware of that.

The point I was making was that the missing dish was because it’s supposed to be a different freighter. If it was supposed to be the Falcon, they’d hardly have made that mistake now would they?

For years people have foolishly assumed the dish was missing because of budgetary constraints. But just like with the trench, the difference was obviously a deliberate creative choice to confuse the audience.

Having iconic and memorable “establishing” shots of diminishing size both moving from left-to-right across the horizontal plane…

…that clearly “established” the trench being the same one, was actually a clever ruse to confuse the audience all these years. It brilliantly fixes the wrong location of the action in the minds of the viewers in 3-demensions, on an almost subliminal level. Well played Lucasfilm, well played.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Having iconic and memorable “establishing” shots of diminishing size both moving from left-to-right across the horizontal plane…

…that clearly “established” the trench being the same one, was actually a clever ruse to confuse the audience all these years. It brilliantly fixes the wrong location of the action in the minds of the viewers in 3-demensions, on an almost subliminal level. Well played Lucasfilm, well played.

Like they said in the article, those shots are NOWHERE near each other in the film.

Just timed it, they are 4 minutes apart. The first shot is before they “cut across the surface to try and draw their fire” even.

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I remember when I was a kid I thought the equatorial trench was the same trench, but as I aged I saw the clear difference in size between it and the trench with the exhaust port. Of course, as pointed out before, there are the longitudinal trenches shown in the schematic. But on top of that, I read the novel, which makes several several statements that make it clear there are multiple small trenches on the Death Star surface.