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The Dark Knight Rises: No Riddler, No 3D

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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=71200

"The Dark Knight Rises"

I don't think I like the title. Sounds too much like a direct sequel to The Dark Knight rather than the third Batman Begins. Which in turn reminds me of "Dark Forces III: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast"

I do applaud Nolan's refusal to do it in 3D (while I think it would be cool, it should be the director's prerogative in what format to make his movie), however I was looking forward to a Riddler plot line...

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So much for my Riddler casting and design.  Man, the release date is so far off it's hard for me to get too excited.  Oh well, it'll get here eventually.

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I guess it was your Riddler ideas that got me so excited. Care to find it and link to it?

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doubleofive said:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=71200

"The Dark Knight Rises"

I don't think I like the title. Sounds too much like a direct sequel to The Dark Knight rather than the third Batman Begins. Which in turn reminds me of "Dark Forces III: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast"

I do applaud Nolan's refusal to do it in 3D (while I think it would be cool, it should be the director's prerogative in what format to make his movie), however I was looking forward to a Riddler plot line...

Nolan does not overuse cgi or shoot on Video, had he done so i would just stay home.  The Hobbit will be shot on video so i am refusing to see it, and if star trek 12 goes forward without JJ Abrams and is shot on video i will boycott that also.

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You've always got an interesting point of view, skyjedi. To me its up to the director. If he believes that video can get the point across, who am I to argue with him? Or 3D?

But let's not go off on a tangent. BATMAN.

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The Dark Knight Rises, eh?  Sounds like he could end it in an "open" way, leaving room for other directors to make further sequels using The Dark Knight ____ title scheme (as Nolan has said that this will be his last Batman film).  Maybe we'll get The Dark Knight Returns in 20-30 years with an old Christian Bale ...

Also, I don't care what anyone says, I still stand by my theory that Two-Face will come back.  My idea for how this will/could work:

- Harvey didn't die at the end of The Dark Knight, he was knocked unconscious/in a coma/whatever.
- Gordon discovered this after Batman ran off at the end of TDK
- Gordon hid this fact from Batman, and hid Harvey deep within Arkham Asylum in an attempt to rehabilitate him, while going along with the official story that Dent died (hence the funeral scene, where no casket was seen)
- Dent's emotional state further deteriorates.  He becomes a true split personality (as he's meant to be in the comics), the "evil" side calling himself Two-Face (represented by the scarred side of the coin), while the "good" side remains Harvey Dent (represented by the "clean" side of the coin).
- Two-Face rallies the support of other Arkham inmates, and becomes their leader.
- Two-Face leads a revolt, and takes over Arkham, allowing him to escape.
- Along with his new gang, Two-Face takes over the crime underworld of Gotham, becoming the new Falcone/Maroni, only much more dangerous and unpredictable.
- The rest of the film plays out however it will play out.
- At the end it seems that Harvey has been rehabilitated, and he agrees to be locked away in Arkham once again.  Though there is a hint that the Two-Face persona may not be truly gone forever ...

This would also allow Batman to have his name cleared in the eyes of Gotham City, who at the beginning of the film believe that he killed Harvey Dent and all the other people that Harvey killed in TDK.

 

...Then again, this all might just be because Two-Face is my favorite Batman villain, and I absolutely hated to see him set up so well, only to be alive for 15 minutes of screen time.

Oh, and IMAX again!  Fuckin' WOO!

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I certainly see that as being a plausible and satisfying story as well, but I personally hope they don't bring him back.  The Harvey/Two-Face story was my favorite part about The Dark Knight, and I thought it was handled so perfectly that I really don't think it needs to be addressed anymore.

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Certain characters don't fit into the Dark Knight template.

Man Bat, Killer Croc, Maxie Zeus, Clayface etc are difficult to fit into the frame (even the Penguin is a bit of a problem) The Riddler bizarrely does fit, as would Catwoman.

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I would have said Scarecrow didn't fit, but Nolan started with him. You never know.

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That's a good point, though, especially about The Riddler and Catwoman.  I wonder why no Riddler?  Has that always just been idle speculation?  And it's just such a shame that Catwoman has been so marred due to her own terrible movie.  But, still, it might give Nolan a chance to redeem her.  After all, with Rachel blown to smithereens, it would make some sense to give an emotionally-scarred Bruce a femme-fetale on the rebound.

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I assumed that she would be next because her crimes could be mistaken for Batman gone off the rails in much the same way that Man Bat would but without the gothic science fiction elements.

The Hairy Belly movie isn't the same character as the comics so I can't see a guilt by association problem there and lovely as Michelle was Burton didn't really use the character properly (she just seemed to be a kinky cat-suited feminist anarchist rather than a criminal with a definable MO).

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I should add that my idea doesn't preclude the possibility of another new villain, which I'd also like to see.

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I could see Penguin as a wealthy, sophisticated criminal who dresses in a hat and tails. Maybe even have him carry a sort of weaponized umbrella - knife or gun charge in the end.  It's back to my wanting a more grounded, cerebral villain, not the scene-chewing Joker of Dark Knight.  It was fine and there were some great moments, but I grew tired of him after a while.  That deeper character was what I really dug about Ra's al Ghul in Begins.

  I absolutely fucking loathed Burton's take on Penguin. A mutant with - yet again - pale skin, messy hair, and red around the eyes.  We get it Tim, it's your signature.

 

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The Penguin origin in the comics I always liked was the one where he was warped by his over protective mother.

His father died of a chest infection after being caught out in the rain and she became this tragic insane bird loving OCD mum who would not let him leave the house in casual clothes and without an umbrella.

Having to suffer the derision of the other children he grew into the Penguin we know and love.

It sounds like a perfect Burton storyline as even without Batman so why did he go for the Tod Browning Moses of the sewers?

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how would people here react to Bane being the main bad guy? 

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This topic does come up every so often, and, as a huge fan of Batman Returns, I also don't mind its take on The Penguin.  And watching all the documentaries and such, it's awesome just how connected Danny DeVito was to his character.  It's true, looking back, that you can kinda see how Batman Returns marked Burton's... completion, I guess, of the evolution into his unyielding style, which I admit has fatigued me quite a bit over the years.  So I can certainly understand derision towards Return for it being that.  As was also said in the supplements, "It's a Tim Burton movie."  I can also certainly see people agreeing with it being a Tim Burton movie at the cost of not being a Batman movie.  I don't think it crosses that line, but it does come pretty close at times.

All that said, I would certainly like to see The Penguin done "right."

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how would people here react to Bane being the main bad guy? 

 I'd dig it.

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He's a bit dull.

Azreal would be another good character to make people think Batman had gone off the rails but it's still too soon to bring him.

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as far as I'm concerned, they can leave out both The Penguin and Catwoman.

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The Ventriloquist could be really creepy if done right but it would be a hard job.

The sad thing about the Burton Penguin origin is it's practically the Black Mask's who is a much creepier character.

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I'd love to make the whole Knightfall arc into a movie.

Bane as the brilliant character he really is, Azarael, and that unbelievable moment when Bane breaks the Batman.

Kinda bummed about there being no Riddler (my favorite Batman villain) but I haven't been too happy with the Nolan-verse so far.

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A version of Bane was in Batman and Robin, so i guess he won't be used.  Nor will they do the whole two face arc because of tommy lee's jones over acted forever version.

To me the Nolan films have been the first batman movies watchable as films and not cringe worthy like those Burton/Shumacher pieces of crap.  Burton never even bothered to read the comic its Batman perverted to fit his Burtonverse.  Tried to sit through batman '89 recently, Keaton horribly miscast as batman, he is sort of okay as an aloof Bruce Wayne.  The Joker horrible overacting by nicholson, and bad dated Prince music.  The only thing i think is timeless about that movie the gothic noir, the batsuit and batmobile and the music score not bad soundtrack.

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I'm sorry, did you just call the Burton movies crap? And you can't tell me Keaton was a horrid choice as Batman when he doesn't have that god-awful voice they gave him in Nolan's films; my personal favorite will always remain Kevin Conroy, but I have no idea how he would act on-camera. Also, refusing to see a movie because it's being shot on film is childish. You can just find a theater showing it on film anyway, not every chain has gone digital. While I agree shooting on film is not the way to go, boycotting the movie won't change a thing. Digital is the way of the future - I'd compare its impact to when widescreen first came out.

No Riddler? Well that's a disappointment, but I'm sure they have something good in store.

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