Well, actually, Corruscant is far from being a prequel creation - it was created by T. Zahn in his Thrawn trilogy and it was first shown in the 97SE of ROTJ. But I totally agree with the basic sentiment of not adding anything that was prominent in the PT.
Harmy said:
Well, actually, Corruscant is far from being a prequel creation - it was created by T. Zahn in his Thrawn trilogy and it was first shown in the 97SE of ROTJ. But I totally agree with the basic sentiment of not adding anything that was prominent in the PT.
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J
Yeah, right, that's true :-)
Jaitea said:
Harmy said:
Well, actually, Corruscant is far from being a prequel creation - it was created by T. Zahn in his Thrawn trilogy and it was first shown in the 97SE of ROTJ. But I totally agree with the basic sentiment of not adding anything that was prominent in the PT.
Visually, its image
J
...Blade Runner?
Jaitea said:
I don't really care for any part of the prequels to be integrated into the original trilogy.....maybe thats why I'm being negative.
This just sounds like the sort of modification the modern Lucas would introduce
J
I understand the sentiment, but it just seems like hating for the sake of hating. Adywan added a planet right? So why not Coruscant? Adywan added a battle droid too, but I don't usually see people complaining about that.
As I tell my kids hate is a very strong word, i didn't say i hate the prequels in fact i don't rate them at all.
The idea of the Death Star in orbit around Coruscant is a good idea and i'm sure someone will include the scene in an edit, but I don't think it fits into the narrative of the story, I like it to remain hidden.
J
The idea that the officers are talking over Coruscant about that the senate has been dissolved makes a sense of narration that the station is over everything and makes its presence above the law and senate decisions.
Have tho so intense traffic going in and out of the planet (galaxy's core) the news of the station should travel rather fast so the station
At the end being hidden and then decide to destroy alderran instead of Dantoine makes the demonstration of its power to maximum capacity rather be in the center of all the eyes.
-Angel
Jaitea said:
Yeah it sounds like a good idea, but when our heroes discover the Death Star at the remains of Alderaan, Han especially can't believe what he's seeing, if it had been stationed at the Empire home planet, the nerve centre of the galaxy every star system would know. The ultimate weapon may end up guarding Coruscant, but I think at this early stage it would still be hidden,....dunno
J
A very true statement.
DominicCobb said:
The real question is how long would it take people on Tatooine, the outer rim of the galaxy to find out about the DS. A week? I think Coruscant works.
Just had a thought, at the end of Jedi (the SE versions) there are scenes of worlds celebrating the defeat of the Emperor, including Tatooine......
J
Jaitea said:
DominicCobb said:
The real question is how long would it take people on Tatooine, the outer rim of the galaxy to find out about the DS. A week? I think Coruscant works.
Just had a thought, at the end of Jedi (the SE versions) there are scenes of worlds celebrating the defeat of the Emperor, including Tatooine......
J
True, true. I still think Coruscant is plausible. To even just be there for a day, to overlook the Senate when the Emperor announces its being dissolved, seems likely. Why would any Senator argue against the Emperor when a weapon that could destroy their planet looms over their heads?
If anything, leave Coruscant for ROTJ. A New Hope is to early to have it in there.
Is there anyway to make the rebel soldiers at the end ceremony pivot in unison when they turn to face the front of the room? They all turn so casually and sloppily. Not very military-like at all. Yet the sound effects imply a sharp snap as they turn. I've got no ideas on how to do it, but I'd really love to see it done.
Reshoots would be the only way.ray_afraid said:
Is there anyway to make the rebel soldiers at the end ceremony pivot in unison when they turn to face the front of the room? They all turn so casually and sloppily. Not very military-like at all. Yet the sound effects imply a sharp snap as they turn. I've got no ideas on how to do it, but I'd really love to see it done.
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that or a CGI crowd!
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
I don't absolutely hate the idea of using cg soldiers as long as it could be done convincingly.
Another change I'd like to see (and much more do-able than my last suggestion) is to remove the shot of Vader stepping on Obi-Wans robe after he disappears. It makes it seem that Vader has no idea what just happened. If he really did "help the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights" then not only would he know what happened, he probably expected it. Right?
No because Yoda and Ben are the only 2 Jedi that learned how to become one with the force, all the others had their remains burned after death
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
BarBar Jinkx said:
No because Yoda and Ben are the only 2 Jedi that learned how to become one with the force, all the others had their remains burned after death
So, how and when did Annikin learn? And why didn't his body disappear? I mean, he shows up at the end of Jedi right along with Ben and Yoda, so what's that all about? Did he not "become one with the force"? And if not, what does "becoming one with the force" mean except that your body disappears?
I don't profess to be an expert on the daft explanations that Lucas gave in the prequels, but he did give us a reason why Vader, Ben & Yoda, ended up force ghosts.
Palps told Anakin that he had teachings by his old master Darth Plagueis on how to never die with the knowledge of the force, and that he would pass this knowledge on to Anakin if he were to become his Sith apprentice.
This knowledge had a flaw, the power to move on to this afterlife can only be successful if you are pure in soul.....so therefore will be of no benefit to a Sith, only for a Jedi.
So by the time Vader snuffed it, he'd redeemed himself and was pure in soul, so all the teachings of Palps enabled him to become a force ghost.
Ben and Yoda were tought this technique by Qui-Gon who had successfully returned from his spell of being completely dead, i assume his refined teachings also enabled his pupils to vanish when killed.
Mad isn't it
J
Yuck. And it still doesn't explain why Annikin's body didn't disappear.
And in any case, I'm still for chopping the shot. It's just silly. Like Vader is standing there goin' "Woah! What happened? Is there a trap door? Can he shrink? Is he invisible and running naked through my new super-weapon?" And then he just totally shrugs it off altogether, and proclaims that this is the day that saw the end of Kenobi. But if he isn't sure what happened with the disappearing body, how can he be sure Obi-Wan is really dead?
ray_afraid said:
Yuck. And it still doesn't explain why Annikin's body didn't disappear.
And in any case, I'm still for chopping the shot. It's just silly. Like Vader is standing there goin' "Woah! What happened? Is there a trap door? Can he shrink? Is he invisible and running naked through my new super-weapon?" And then he just totally shrugs it off altogether, and proclaims that this is the day that saw the end of Kenobi. But if he isn't sure what happened with the disappearing body, how can he be sure Obi-Wan is really dead?
He isn't. Vader assumed he was dead because the uncomfortable alternative is that Obi-Wan wasn't lying and that he really DID become more powerful then Vader could imagine when he was struck down.
In the words of the great Tommy Wiseau, "Ray don't tink so mawch. Eet may nawt come awt rite."
ray_afraid said:
Yuck. And it still doesn't explain why Annikin's body didn't disappear.
You can have his head disappear because we can assume the cyborg parts are holding the body together ;)
-Angel
Idunno if it was this thread (or a different one), but I remember someone posting an idea about changing Yavin IV into Alderaan, to save it from being blowed up by the Deathstar.
I want to know who posted it, etc.....for no particular reason. :D
EDIT: If I don't get an answer, I give all credit to George Luca$ !!!!!!! ......lol, I am soo evil. ;)
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The obvious way around the problem of vanishing Jedi is to give it a better explanation in the PT.
I can't see why George could not have had Palpatine attempt to honour his deal with Anakin and use the Force to save Padme only to have it work in an unexpected way.
She becomes a ghost at the point of death.
Leia can see her as a girl.
Padme can show Ben and Yoda how to do it and appear in ROTJ at the end rescuing her husband.
Making Qui-Gon the key was daft, it solves nothing but having Padme the key maintains the continuity of the OT.
ray_afraid said:
Another change I'd like to see (and much more do-able than my last suggestion) is to remove the shot of Vader stepping on Obi-Wans robe after he disappears. It makes it seem that Vader has no idea what just happened. If he really did "help the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights" then not only would he know what happened, he probably expected it. Right?
It was obviously new to Vader. The whole disappearing act was a neat story device in the OT and clearly no thought was given to its role in an imaginary history. Then again, even in the PT, Lucas didn't have disappearing Jedi (it would have been an interesting scene if Anakin's saber had dispatched the younglings like popping bubbles).
Both Yoda and Obi Wan had made peace with death. It's plausible that Vader never encountered a Jedi who died in such a way - particularly the ones he pursued. Its easy to overthink all this, but I like that it confounded Vader. His knowledge of the Force probably gave him insight into what happened but still a plausible surprise.
The blue elephant in the room.