The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 17

I doubt if everything would be the same in the garage after almost two decades, but it would be nice as I mentioned earlier if some of the lights were to operate in the same way and that wouldn't be too difficult to animate.

I don't think that people should be put off from suggesting the seemingly impossible as someone might find a way around such problems (though I don't see the change as important).

In that vein, I personally would love the Imperials to get ESB style haircuts, a real bugger to do convincingly but if someone could pull it off it would make them seem more cold and miltaristic, leaving the long hair to the Rebels (hairstyle cliches are a permissible form of character shorthand in my book).

Darth Venal said:

And seriously, some of your ideas are ridiculous: revamp Luke's garage to make it like Attack of the Clones? Why would you want to do that? This place is supposed to be run down, grimey. It's a garage. And it was all a real set. Half of the AOTC garage is CGI - all the backgrounds beyond the main room where Anakin and Padme talk are fake, including the room Anakin throws something into. And replacing a static background to improve the set is one thing, but changing a set when the camera is moving is entirely different and virtually impossible to pull off with footage that wasn't shot for such purposes.

^ Ah yes - I was really only meaning Bingowing's suggestion of matching up the light display there.

No, of course people should suggest changes they'd like to see, but let's try to be realistic about what's possible, otherwise it all gets a bit pointless with regards to actual fan edits.

Regarding the lighting display, why make it match AOTC? Is it really so different that it matters? If I were changing anything, it would be making the prequels look more like the original trilogy, not the reverse.

The lighting display change in AOTC is very subtle (ironically in a film full of so much ugly brashness) and adds a little bit of movement to a suitably unremarkable set so I'm not against it.

It's not like changing the OT Yoda into a CGI creation to match the prequels and having Ben do cartwheels while fighting Vader in fact it's more like changing the existing in-universe computer graphics to look more like the models and less like discarded prepoduction designs.

Like all things, it's a question of balance.

If someone did it and it didn't stick out like a sore thumb I wouldn't mind.

Me neither, I just sometimes balk at the idea of making anything OT look like anything PT. I think that's understandable :-)

Rather than replace with the PT lights, I'd just amend the OT displays. You might have meant that :-|

Yeah basicially I meant just animate the existing panels so they light up in the same way as the do in AOTC.

The pattern is there already but they are all illuminated at once (rather than fading on and off like the do in the PT).

Righto. Little tweaks like that, to just make shots more dynamic, I'm all for. I just don't want to take away the overall aesthetic of the OT films in the name of "modernising" them.

Damn, I can't wait for my days off, got so many ideas I wanna try.

Whoops, posted this one in the Empire thread by mistake. I'll get the hang of this one day.

I amended my Tosche Station matte; I added mountains to give it greater depth, a larger vapirator and, just for fun, Luke's speeder.

As I said on the other thread, lovely work.

If only you could restore the actual footage, the monochrome cracked silent stuff with Mark looking up at the battle could be partially reconstructed in this manner, the treadwell could be replaced with a model and that would leave only a hazy odd looking Mark to colourise and have his lines redubbed (Sir Alec and Peter O'Toole redubbed deleted material for the Lawrence Of Arabia restoration so why not Mark?).

There were plenty of production stills taken for colour reference.

I don't think they would ever be good enough to be put back into even a DVD quality cut of the film but it might make it to VHS quality and make an interesting curio.

Sure thing :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAJEM6g5a0A&feature=related

It works as a place holder but if Mark could be brought in to do a synchronised performance it would possibly match the scene better than the radio drama scene does.

I already planned it out with the Radio Drama dialogue, and it works perfectly well.

Anyway, there's something of a continuity issue with that scene unless you place it before the opening shot of the battle, which isn't easy. The problem is that Luke looks up and sees a battle, but by the time he looks up, the battle is already over and the Tantive IV has already been pulled inside the Devastator. Sure, it could be concurrent time, but it just doesn't play out like that when you see it.

But seeing as my planned "workprint" was never going to all be DVD quality, I've decided to re-order the scenes slightly and we actually meet Luke before the battle. It's possible, we've already done a rough cut. I might put some a montage up to show you the sequence. As the crawl ends, the title music comes to a rest. The original swelling strings as we pan down to the matte of Tatooine is replace with an edited version of the Binary Sunset Alternate cue, we pan down to the planet from a distance, to desert, eventually finding Luke at work (long shot). He sees the battle, we see a new shot through his macrobinoculars, and then the swelling strings come up and we cut back to space. The other two sequences with Luke at Tosche Station then appear in the originally scripted place.

Even if they can't be dropped into the film they would make for interesting viewing.

I was arguing for something similar on the Wishlist thread for using the shuttle arrival from ESB: SE to be used to rebuild the lost footage of Luke arriving at the Death Star in ROTJ (not necessarily for inclusion in a cut of the film but possibly as an extra).

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/357786/#post357786

hey man, nice shot.

The Yavin sky looks much improved, and i love the added lookout tower.

Bingowings said:

oh_riginal said:

Bingowings said:

oh_riginal said:

Bingowings said:

Personally I never liked the way the weapon fired in the first place.

There is a big dish with a nipple in the middle so it just makes more sense to me that the smaller beams focused on the nipple thing (technincal term) and the large ray fired out of it and was focused by the dish.

Having everything fire out into space and meet there looks suitably science fantasy but doesn't really make much sense visually.

 

If you're talking about the appearance of the laser firing in ANH and ROTJ and how different they look, I 100% agree, and this has always bothered me.

If I had been on the forums before ANH:R, I might have requested to make the laser firing of the ANH Death Star to be more like the ROTJ Death Star. It probably would even be one of the easier effects to create! Just add an extra laser beam coming out of the center of the dish upon firing.

In my opinion, it just "looks right" to have it that way in ROTJ.

No and yes.

I was saying that I don't really like the way the Death Star fires in either film, I'd have the beams meet right above the surface of the dish and have the central beam come out of the hole in the middle, I'll see if I can do a mockup later.

 

 

 

Ohhh... I think I see what you're saying. Looking forward to the mock-up!

Forgive as always the crudity of this mockup:

Here's the classic Death Star firing method:

As you can see the minor lasers fire into the space above the dish and combine to form a single beam.

Here the minor lasers fire towards the central hole in the dish and which focus together with the central beam :

Maybe someone else can do a better render of the same idea?

 

vaderios said: If i wasn't witness this with my eyes i could say that you hacked my pc because i was making what you made ( with some enhancements) 2 days ago.

:D

Now we both know that is an awesome idea hehe

EDIT:

 

-Angel

This sort of thing could be done in a future reworking of ANH too.

that looks amazing. Great work guys!