The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 15

I meant by restructuring, taking model, matte and design elements and replacing background elements (like starfields) adding foreground elements (like the lasers and model elements unique to that version), removing elements like the Ronto's and remixing the sound and score.

The Ben's Hut scene (after colour correction, sound balancing and the addition of the missing table ornament) was mostly an editing job.

Nobody (to my knowledge) had tried that before which is why Adywan is mentioned in the thread title.

If a film is a structure composed of elements then this one has been extensively rebuilt in ANH:R.

You mean like the Darth Editous "de-specialed" and ADigitalMan/DarthEditous Hybrid?

Removing Rontos? As in using the best available footage of that scene without Rontos in it in the first place? Not exactly removal, rather reversion. I'm not disputing his stirling work on the colour correction. In fact, every time I think about it it just keeps making me wonder just what on Earth Lucas' people thought they were doing. The blue tint that we're all dumbfounded by, I mean, was that deliberate? I can't see why it would be, but then you have to wonder who signed off on those masters.

Oh, and I'm not disputing the thread title for a second! Adywan has without doubt made the most significant Star Wars fan edit so far, and the thread is a great way of focusing discussion on what can or might be done after Revisited.

Well there's no debate over the answer to the first part of that question. Yes, other things CAN be done to ANH after Adywan. In fact, Adywan himself is revisiting it again. And a quick browse of the posts in this thread will bring up many ideas that Adywan didn't execute, or things people didn't like or thought should have been different in some way.

As for the second part, who is going to do it, well, that's not so easily answered. I am incredibly busy with paid work to give too much time to my own edit at the moment, but I for one am definitely working on it. And other people surely would like to be doing it but don't have the resources and/or time. But the will is surely there, and while that remains, then ideas for what can be done will continue.

Akwat Kbrana said:

ABC said:

Well, that's this discussion point that I don' t understand. Sorry. You could talk during years and so... What's happening during that time ?

Allow me to go a bit more far and to propose an extention to the thread title:

Can anything else be done to ANH after Adywan, and who's gonna do it ? (!)

... Because that's the question that comes in my mind when I see this topic... Unless you're working on it yet, Bingo. So pease, let me ask.

 

I don't see what there is to be so worked up over. This is a discussion forum. The point of this thread is to discuss what further edits and cuts to ANH might be attempted. Exactly who's going to attempt the edit is despite the point; the discussion is taking place for the benefit of anyone who might attempt such an edit.

On the nosey Akwat Kbrana.

Extending the thread title the way you suggest ABC is entitely against the point of the thread, which is to make suggestions that anyone can choose or reject to choose.

If you have any suggestions of that kind this is a place to post them.

DarthBo said:

You mean like the Darth Editous "de-specialed" and ADigitalMan/DarthEditous Hybrid?

I'm unfamiliar with those edits did they add elements new to this film in the same way that Adywan did?

De-specialed suggests more of a restoration of OUT using the SE as a source to these eyes?

Yeah, there does seem to be something of a competitive element going on, when really we should all be allowed to just discuss any and all changes made already, or that we'd like to see, without being accused of knocking Adywan. We've all got our ideas, so let's discuss them.

If you want to start a project start a project thread and I'm sure that many of the people on here will join up and help you.

For the last time, this is not a project thread it's an IDEAS thread, people post ideas that anyone with a project in mind can use.

If you want to illustrate one of the ideas on this thread go ahead but please no more off topic posts.

If you have an idea that may further enhance ANH feel free to post it otherwise please stop posting here.

Well, when I first saw TPM in '99, I heard that little element of the Imperial March and I thought to myself, "If they put the Imperial March in the prequel(s), then it should also be in ANH."

Now of course, that's already been done.  So, now that only thing I can think of for a further enhanced ANH:SE would be to enhance some of R2's movements, particularly with his head when he's in the three-legged position.  Aside from that one close up shot of him before meeting that Jawa's, R2 doesn't turn his head at all in ANH when he's in the three-legged position.

I was aware of those edits through reading all these threads (I knew that DE's was  a major influence on Ady) but I hadn't seen them I've seen so many TPM edits that it's kind of burned that film beyond even my endurance levels so I want to keep viewings of OT variations as  a special treat.

For those who have seen them are there any alterations unique to those projects which are worthy of reinsertion?

I've been working on alternatives for the needle on the probe droid, I'm not a fan of the Ady's electro-needle, needles in general seem too of this world and the position on the droid seems too close to it's body to practically use (it would have to do a Phantasm sphere on Leia to inject anything).

As I posted before my instincts are to remove the needle alltogether and focus on the red light dent on the bottom (possibly making it posable).

I'll post some rough mockups when I get the chance.

The scene can probably be trimmed to remove the needle altogether. If you cut away before the camera zooms over to the needle, Leia's reaction of horror should be enough to suggest that this robot isn't going to be good for her.

The idea of a needle isn't in itself so bad, as the torture device Han in put onto in Cloud City is full of needles, but the needle on the Death Star droid just looks like a syringe, and far too Earthly.

These are a couple of plates I've been working on. Well, I guess the Tosche Station one is a matte painting as most of it has been recomposed, whereas the Lars homestead one is more just a modified plate of the location with a couple of digital touch-ups. I really want to put those gravestones into my edit, and added one for Cliegg - I'm assuming he's dead! (I don't think he'd get very far on that chair.)

These are vastly reduced in detail by the resizing, but you get the picture...

In the Tosche Station shot, I'm using it to lead into the deleted scenes. We will wipe to this shot after Luke sees the battle, his speeder will fly into shot from overhead and fly into the centre of the painting, and pull up sideways to match the live shot of Luke jumping out. My partner is playing Luke in the wide shot jumping up, to cut with the original material - we've already got an identical hat and my nana is making the costume! hehe.

Well, it's meant to be somewhat shiny as it's in bright sunshine, but in the HD image it's clearly stone and not metal. Not really sure what you meant with some of your post. As for being too clean, well, this is reduce way down from HD, which has a lot of detail, but it's bound to look clean as it's a brand new digital image.

Those shots look great.

Cheers. They're not quite finished but that's the general idea. I might add bigger, nearer clouds to the Tosche Station matte. One thing that always struck me about the shots of Tatooine in the original movie: this planet is supposed to be barren and has no seas, yet most shots are actually pretty cloudy. Instead of moisture vapirators, they might has well put out a bucket, it should capture more with all the rain they should get. That lovely new shot in the SE of the Sandcrawler at least has a cloudless sky. So maybe I won't add more clouds, maybe a few wisps.

Loving the headstones, they would be very useful if Star Wars Reborn was revived (basically the idea for that edit was to merge the prequels and the OT together in the style of Godfather II to keep all the surprises intact)http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-REBORN-The-Complete-Saga/topic/6871/. That way you could have Luke passing by the headstones in the ANH footage and find out there significance in the AOTC footage) Asteroid-Man is attempting something similar http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Renascent-WORK-COPY-AVAILABLE-FOR-DOWNLOAD/topic/9653/.

It would certainly be a nice nod to saga continuity to have it in ANH proper.

It would certainly be a nice nod to saga continuity to have it in ANH proper.

I agree. That's why I'll be putting them into my edit. It's simple to do, and at least in Episode II they put the stones far enough away that they don't necessarily have to be seen in any shots from Star Wars/ANH. But I'll add them into a couple of shots purely out of whimsy, and because I think they seal the deal of this being an inherited home and they look interesting.

In a similar vein it might be nice to have the little stretched hexagons on the garage display light up in the same way they do in AOTC , that should be relatively easy to do and add a little bit of continuity over.

Sure, that wouldn't be hard to do. Funny that it sort of annoys me when the prequels make something from the OT look better. It makes me want to make the OT look slicker than they do, when for 20 years I never cared about these little things.

And as much as I like to see more believable console displays etc, they just don't feel like they're in the right movie.

You know, watching Star Wars again today I decided there is one change that I just have to make. This is purely personal taste, and there is no need for it to be done, but I have always hated the red walls in the Death Star control room where they go after sneaking off the Falcon. I will try to turn them grey or black. I hate that red. :-)