The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *) — Page 3

Jetrell Fo said:

I have the ESB discs but my internet connection isn't solid at this point so uploading them would be hit and miss.  I am working on a solution so that it can be.  Would you share your 5.1 conversions of ANH & ROTJ with us?  I'm sure some folks here would love to have at least those to start with until borisanddoris and Eldonante are able to complete their processing of the audio for DTS-MA.

As for the channel mixing...there is a DTS whitepaper on the matter which could help you sort out things a bit if you feel your mix is missing a bit.

The channels are all left to the levels I ripped them at, its just knowing that frequency the DTS hardware in the theatres performed the low pass filter on. The DTS discs seem to be 16-bit, 44KHz, so converting them to DTS-MA might be overkill (upsampled sound will never sound better, only increase in file size and potentially sound worse; I'm kind of hoping I'm wrong about the actual bit depth and sample rate to feel free to correct me, but considering the rip speed I don't think any conversions were taking place!). I may have discovered a few glitches within a couple of the channels in reel 1 and will investigate further and I'll post any findings I have in the appropriate DTS thread :)

I sync'ed the DTS to my LD capture last night, took less than an hour to do! then it took 4 hours or so rendering the reels as I had to time stretch them by 0.1%, which is unsurprising seeing as they originally had a 24-bit time code to keep them in check! I have, at this point, only done ANH. I'm just about to listen back and see how it sounds ;)

It would be nice if we had a video standard to sync it to, perhaps a perfect LD capture would be best (I don't think mine is quite frame-perfect, I think it dropped a couple when capturing)?

As for uploading, I don't have regular Usenet access and am reluctant to use a MegaUpload-esque service because I just don't trust them. Perhaps a torrent would be best should enough people want to listen?

CapableMetal said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I have the ESB discs but my internet connection isn't solid at this point so uploading them would be hit and miss.  I am working on a solution so that it can be.  Would you share your 5.1 conversions of ANH & ROTJ with us?  I'm sure some folks here would love to have at least those to start with until borisanddoris and Eldonante are able to complete their processing of the audio for DTS-MA.

As for the channel mixing...there is a DTS whitepaper on the matter which could help you sort out things a bit if you feel your mix is missing a bit.

The channels are all left to the levels I ripped them at, its just knowing that frequency the DTS hardware in the theatres performed the low pass filter on. The DTS discs seem to be 16-bit, 44KHz, so converting them to DTS-MA might be overkill (upsampled sound will never sound better, only increase in file size and potentially sound worse; I'm kind of hoping I'm wrong about the actual bit depth and sample rate to feel free to correct me, but considering the rip speed I don't think any conversions were taking place!). I may have discovered a few glitches within a couple of the channels in reel 1 and will investigate further and I'll post any findings I have in the appropriate DTS thread :)

I sync'ed the DTS to my LD capture last night, took less than an hour to do! then it took 4 hours or so rendering the reels as I had to time stretch them by 0.1%, which is unsurprising seeing as they originally had a 24-bit time code to keep them in check! I have, at this point, only done ANH. I'm just about to listen back and see how it sounds ;)

It would be nice if we had a video standard to sync it to, perhaps a perfect LD capture would be best (I don't think mine is quite frame-perfect, I think it dropped a couple when capturing)?

As for uploading, I don't have regular Usenet access and am reluctant to use a MegaUpload-esque service because I just don't trust them. Perhaps a torrent would be best should enough people want to listen?

Capable,

Thanks for the response.  I would be happy to offer you an invite to the spleen if you'd like that as an option.

I should correct myself (I tried yesterday and the forum gave me trouble), the JP audio was DTSHD.  I am interested to hear the audio mix you've put together.  I'm sure others here would be just as interested in it.

I don't see any reason why there couldn't be both...to make it easier for those in the respective areas of the world.  I mean, we've got people doing video, people doing audio, people doing subtitle translation for different parts of the world......there is a lot of resource here to benefit everyone.

:) 

I have received some pm's lately regarding the audio.  If anyone here wants the links to the disc ISO's who either doesn't have them already or doesn't have access to the newsgroups for whatever reason, pm me, and I will send you the links.

I want to make sure these are available to anyone who wants them or needs them for a project of their own.

What I have uploaded are the ISO's to the actual discs.  The audio on them is what's on the discs.  There are folks here working on processing the audio because it is of interest to the entire community when it comes to preservation projects surrounding the 1997 SE Trilogy and Theatrical versions of the PT.

If you want or need assistance with processing please search these topics as we've had some great insight and assistance in these matters and we don't want to clutter up the threads with the same questions.

Thanks for your time.....here's looking forward to the completion of some great projects by some passionate people.

Cheers!!!! 

Molly said:

CapableMetal's encode synchs exactly (as far as my eyes and ears can tell me) to msycamore's m2v.  I made an AC3 in Aften because Mainconcept choked on the FLAC, but it seems to have come out a bit loud relative to a "proper" 5.1 AC3.

That's likely due to the source. The audio on the discs is louder than a commercial DVD and I deliberately left the volume levels as they were on the discs so people could hear the mix complete for themselves with minimal processing. Perhaps a cut of a few dB might be better these DTS tracks to bring it to a more 'standard' overall level.

A few people seem to be struggling with the FLAC, which has surprised me because I've never had any trouble with it. I'd have uploaded it as mono WAV's if I'd realised it was going to cause such problems, I was just trying to keep the seeding time down because my upload speed isn't great ;)

Nice to hear it synchs up with msycamore's m2v file, I made my synch source to match up with the reel change frame numbers, sounds like it worked a treat!

russs15 said:

Does this mean that we now have the standard for the ANH 97SE????

I think so, yes. It should be noted I didn't use msycamore's m2v to edit to, nor have I even seen it yet, but the info posted on here showed it perfectly matched the synch-source I pieced together from hours of studying several 97SE releases.

It sounds like that m2v is completely accurate.

Flunk* has an .avi for ESB and RotJ.  The Lee Thorogood SW LD had all the frames of SW (2004), hopefully a similar things with these two.

*EDIT*

*This is my mistake, see two posts down, not sure of the origin name.

Hummm, my mistake, not sure why i'm attributing them to Flunk.  Re-reading around, can't find an origin name.  They're LD rips:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Newsgroups-Availability-of-the-Moth3r-DVDs/post/448318/#TopicPost448318

http://binsearch.info/?q=Starwars-4.5.6.AC3.5.1.WS.LaserDisc.Xvid&max=100&adv_age=1100&server=

*EDIT*

the oldest thing i'm finding is a 2004 ed2k link:

http://hardwired.hu/forum/forum.phtml?area=comment&id=7953&p=46

In 2008 Max_Rebo had a 97 SE project, should be some good info in there:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Max-Rebos-97-SE-superset-preservation/topic/9031/

This is interesting:

msycamore said:

Let's say we continued on the same path for ESB.

0 = first frame
711 = STAR WARS title card appear

and the following reel change
30988 = r2
59815 = r3
91134 = r4
122461 = r5
151133 = r6

^ that's my numbers when I've inserted a empty frame where I know one frame is missing (last frame in the shot of the asteroid hitting the Stardestroyer).

Provided the reel changes were not changed for the SE and that no additional frames are gone from TB and G'Kar.

I've compared a few sources on this, all missing an occasional frame in different places, but time-lined them so that missing frames are taken into account.

I got exactly the same reel change numbers before comparing to the 2004 DVD with the revised Emperor communication scene removed (it fits perfectly).

So it looks like we're onto a winner with this one. Do you have the reel change numbers for ROTJ?

RotJ reel change frames: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Reel-lengths/post/422104/#TopicPost422104