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That looks amazingly good, considering how little processing was done by you guys.

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It definitely needs some stabilization, but I like the colours as they are

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Yeah those colours look great!

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Nice!  I actually wouldn't even mind watching the entire trilogy just like this as a raw scan without ANY color correction or stabilization.  It really looks like film again.

Can't wait until it's finished--keep up the good work!

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Hello original film collector,

I have 300+  70mm frames from the original Star Wars Film. I am selling the whole batch; These are untouched and from the original editing room by a technician who collected them and kept them and who has since passed on. They are in good condition but of course I see about 10 of them have some sort of defect; that still leaves 300+. I believe they may be worth from $8 to $35 a frame and I have 300+.  Need to let go ASAP.  Do you know of anyone who would be interested in preserving these clips.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/atq/4564575930.html

Dave

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Your listing says Star Wars, some of the frames shown are from Empire Strikes Back, and you post in a thread about Return of the Jedi?

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Just a quick update on this version.

We have a preview 25Gig digital file (m2ts) version of the raw movie for internal use currently. So far it looks very good. There are parts that are very impressive and don't need any work at all. However, there is a lot of damage at the heads and tails of each reel, and various damage in other places.

The color quality is very good, and will be a great reference for future releases. Also, we expect to have other versions to replace the damaged frames with.

Overall, the movie looks very true to what we remembered being shown in the theaters.

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Are you planning to release this raw preview to us at OT? I'm sure there are plenty of people here who would be interested in seeing the movie without any work done on it.

How extensive is this damage?

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just seeing that ^^ screenshot, isnt the quality supposed to be more grainy with those film reels? preserving the grain might need a lot of bitrate, please dont do any DNR (intentially or not)

not familiar with the technical process of what you are doing, but this is what it looks like when someone made a 40GB blu-ray for Back to the Future sourced from 210mbps JPEG2000DCP (you might have seen this before):

http://someimage.com/hTaqLdW

http://someimage.com/cMoBrxo

http://someimage.com/a3y7DzE

I dont know if its possible for your restauration to look like that, but if it is then it would be great!

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Handman said:

Are you planning to release this raw preview to us at OT? I'm sure there are plenty of people here who would be interested in seeing the movie without any work done on it.

How extensive is this damage?

 Looking at the horrendous weave backed into this particular print, you might want it to at least be stabilised, or you could get seasick.

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Currently, as with our other projects. There are no plans to distribute any preview, or internal versions before the restoration is complete. We don't want  any versions that we are not happy with being released.

These movies deserve proper restoration, and adjustments before the general public can watch them. There's no point in duplicating the mistakes of previous releases, is there.

That said, once all is said and done, there may be some 'grindhouse' original versions with minimal fixes or none at all. We'll decide when the time comes.

Finally, all of our versions will have:

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1 Color correction - to match the originals as close as possible

2 Original sound - taken from the reels, from the original source

3 Stabilization

4 Cropping - to match theatrical presentation

5 Dirt cleanup

6 Dust and other marks cleanup - unless they are in the original film

We are not aiming at perfection, but for most cases, the films will be true to the condition they should have been in on a new print.

We can not, and will not be matching the blurays on clarity, or detail. Even with the highest quality equipment, it will have its own unique look.

As you can see from the previews, film grain, and other film qualities will remain intact.

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team_negative1 said:


That said, once all is said and done, there may be some 'grindhouse' original versions with minimal fixes or none at all. We'll decide when the time comes.

Finally, all of our versions will have:

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1 Color correction - to match the originals as close as possible

2 Original sound - taken from the reels, from the original source

3 Stabilization

4 Cropping - to match theatrical presentation

5 Dirt cleanup

6 Dust and other marks cleanup - unless they are in the original film

We are not aiming at perfection, but for most cases, the films will be true to the condition they should have been in on a new print.

We can not, and will not be matching the blurays on clarity, or detail. Even with the highest quality equipment, it will have its own unique look.

As you can see from the previews, film grain, and other film qualities will remain intact.

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 That just sounds awesome cant wait

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lightsabre said:

just seeing that ^^ screenshot, isnt the quality supposed to be more grainy with those film reels? preserving the grain might need a lot of bitrate, please dont do any DNR (intentially or not)

not familiar with the technical process of what you are doing, but this is what it looks like when someone made a 40GB blu-ray for Back to the Future sourced from 210mbps JPEG2000DCP (you might have seen this before):

http://someimage.com/hTaqLdW

http://someimage.com/cMoBrxo

http://someimage.com/a3y7DzE

I dont know if its possible for your restauration to look like that, but if it is then it would be great!

 All of our print restorations will be converted to high bitrate DCP versions for private use and screenings, however, those won't be distributed.

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thats too bad, because if the quality was really going to be that good I know people who'd want to do a nice BD 50 encode from that. you guys wouldnt even have to do it yourselves.

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if the team creates a high bitrate avc version, say 30mbits, that would be more then enough for a proper representation of their work. a dcp file, which will be around 200 - 300gb, is just overkill.

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of course not to keep, but as source for a BD 50.

anyway, its theirs to decide. but as said, Im sure Ill find some good encoders whod like to do this if the JPEGS look fine. just as an offer.

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if the team creates a high bitrate avc version, say 30mbits, that would be more then enough for a proper representation of their work. a dcp file, which will be around 200 - 300gb, is just overkill.

 Agreed. And although it's early the h.265 format might be more stable by then, and will help if it becomes adopted by others.

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I think you mean h.265

Good news is that 10bit HEVC has just been confirmed for the UHDTV standard (aka consumer level 4K). The increase to 10bit is great news for contrast and colour and reduced banding artefacts etc. This is required for the Rec. 2020 colour space.

So h.265, 10bit, UHD 3840x2160, Rec. 2020 all adds up to a beautiful way to watch quality content.

The European standards group also said that contrast would be drastically improved by increasing the number of bits per pixel to 10 bit. Level 5.1 of the HEVC Main 10 profile is specified for UHD content for resolutions up to 2160p. - See more at: http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/dvb-confirms-specs-for-uhdtv-and-ott-in-europe/271256#sthash.vkQeGbZk.dpuf

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I dont know how long you guys will still need for these project, but atm it doesnt look like H.265 is going to be better(!) and more effective than H.264 anytime soon. that time is still far away. just consider how many years H.264 has been in development to arrive where it is now and how little time H.265 has been existed so far.

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That might be true. But each of these projects has been multiple years for completion.

I'm not saying it will be more than a few years for each one. But depending on the quality we get from the scans, and the quality of the prints, some could be less or more than that.

Codecs are always improving, and although h.264 has survived as the best quality for now. We will always be looking to the future, and for 4k and beyond when the time comes.

So the need to evaluate them will always be there.

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One last, and mostly final thought about the BD-50 issues. How many people can actually burn dual layer BD, and get blanks for them at a reasonable price. Very few.

Yes, opting for a digital download option might be possible, but then the issue about limiting it to 50 Gig comes up. You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere and ours is the bluray/mkv digital 25 Gig format. 

A vast majority of people have access to bluray burners and blanks, and although more have DVD drives and burners, those people won't be left out either, as we will have the vast majority of formats, and types of media covered. One less will not make a huge impact on our plans.

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team_negative1 said:

A vast majority of people have access to bluray burners and blanks, and although more have DVD drives and burners, those people won't be left out either, as we will have the vast majority of formats, and types of media covered. One less will not make a huge impact on our plans.

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 Glad to hear it. I don't have a Blu Ray burner or a Blu Ray player, so DVD is really my only option.

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yeah, 50GB discs aren't exactly cheap, and Harmy's despecialized is only 13GB once you strip out the audio tracks and it's still a pleasing encode, so long as you don't starve the encode too much the quality should be fine

i mean, i'm sure you guys know what you're doing haha