Laserdisc contains analogue video, so no compression.
JPG images, on the other hand, are compressed... ;-)
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Yeah, now I see what you're talking about, it could've been introduced when imagehack converted the image to JPG, but most of it is more likely video noise, I'm no expert in the field, but I guess it could be many things, player, cables and how it was captured etc. I see no big problem with it, in fact this is some of the finest LD-captures I've ever seen. Did you guys see the same noise on the samples I posted? Cannot check this myself at the moment.
Your suggestion on applying a layer of this noise on the DVD-footage sounds strangely familiar with what Moth3r suggested to me a while back regarding the alien subs in SW, it sounds like a very good idea, I just have to find out exactly how you do that. ;)
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This might help:
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Overlay
You will have to find out what mode to use however, and i cannot recomend to you what mode to use, unless i was workin on it myself.
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Should I look at the Laserdisc and see if this artifact is there? Keep in mind this is a non-anamorphic widescreen image being blown up and viewed on hig resolution monitors that didn't exist when the disc was made...
One low tech idea I had for degrading the DVD video to match the LD would be to record the analog 4:3 output of a DVD player to my Super VHS deck, (Which is close to Laserdisc in resolution) and then capture that back to DVD. This would require a player that defeats macrovision, or the aforementioned gizmo I was thinking of buying to work though!
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No need to check the LD, SilverWook. I now noticed that the screen-cap they referred to was from the UK-capture Nerfherder sent me. I cannot see these artifacts in yours.
Thanks for the help Rogue-theX.
If Jaitea's capture look as good as I think it do, going by his screen-caps, I will use that instead. But the 2004 DVD transfer will be used for the opening. It's really weird about the lack of green credits in the LD-master, I think there's a possibility they were white in the original 1971 theatrical release and updated for the 1978 re-release, it's weird in any case.
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Okay, good. Want to try a couple unorthodox things with the Betamax copy before I break down and buy that Grex unit.
Is it possible the titles faded between the early 80's video transfer and the early 90's Letterbox LD master?
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Everything's possible I guess, the shooting script describes the green colored opening credits, but that script may be a revised published version just like the various Star Wars scripts out there. The Italian version could've easily used green colored ones to imitate the US original but they are white. Could the video master even fade that much just in 10 years? the opening is easily the part which is in the worst condition on this videomaster, extremely dirty... someone with more expertise will need to chime in on this matter.
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I mean whatever film elements was used to make the video master. They would have had to make a new transfer for the Laserdisc verison.
I wish the pan and scan Japanese LD would pop up on Ebay. It came out in 1986, and I've only ever seen one copy for sale on the LDDB. I really want to see the colors on that.
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Yes, of course. The IP or whatever they used, maybe 10 years could be very destructive on the material if it was stored incorrectly, the rest of the transfer don't show that amount of fading though.
I doubt the green was first added for the early video releases though, both your '82 Betamax and early UK VHS have the green credits, but it would be interesting to see how the JAP '86 look. Even if they were actually white on the '71 prints, we will go green for this preservation IMO as this is the re-release cut. On the other hand, we don't know if they used the Warner Kinney logo on the re-release prints. ;)
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I doubt it as the Kinney regime wasn't in charge by then. Studio logos get changed more often than underwear!
I was listening the commentary track on The Shining recently, and Kubrick agonizing over the size and color of his titles was discussed. I actually have an old Japanese LD of the film where the closing credits are in the same blue as the opening titles. Every other video release I've ever seen the closing credits are always white. So this isn't a totally unique situation...
The Japanese '86 THX disc on the LDDB has a best offer option, so I'll give it a shot. :)
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The green might have been a later addition after Star Wars green LUCASFILM LTD. opening (before it was substituted by the new flashy version). This theory could be argumented with the fact that any green lettering in THX seems to be seen only in versions "after" 1977 (being the Italian version from 1976 with white letters).
It's only a random thought ;-)
That's another possible reason. I think the green Lucasfilm logo actually dates back to American Graffiti though?
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Although Lucas didn't retouch THX until 1978. So, yeah he might have started liking the green letters since 1973. The Italian version probably takes its colour from the theatrical release.
My offer was accepted. So we will have the '86 Laserdisc as a reference soon. :)
I was thinking about taking photos of all my copies of THX one of these days. Can we squeeze a photo gallery on the DVD?
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I was also thinking that a picture of THX on all video formats would be a nice add to the trivia where we talk about its releases. Images shouldn't take much space. Let's hear what Msycamore say
SilverWook said:
I doubt it as the Kinney regime wasn't in charge by then. Studio logos get changed more often than underwear!
Yeah, it was probably this one:
That logo were also on the Re-release poster. So, how exactly do we want it?
SilverWook said:
I was listening the commentary track on The Shining recently, and Kubrick agonizing over the size and color of his titles was discussed. I actually have an old Japanese LD of the film where the closing credits are in the same blue as the opening titles. Every other video release I've ever seen the closing credits are always white. So this isn't a totally unique situation...
Very interesting as I'm a huge fan of The Shining, didn't know about that variation. Maybe a US/International difference.
About the green colored title - trademark of Lucas, we have to remember that American Graffiti could also have gotten the same treatment for its Re-release in '78. The original theatrical version from '73 has not yet been released on video.
SilverWook said:
My offer was accepted. So we will have the '86 Laserdisc as a reference soon. :)
Nice, you big spender! ;)
SilverWook said:
I was thinking about taking photos of all my copies of THX one of these days. Can we squeeze a photo gallery on the DVD?
Sure, why not. :)
I'll definitely need some help with creating menus when the time comes though.
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What program are you using to create these DVDs?
Well, they are many but it was DVD Lab Pro that gave me problems with the Italian, I don't like to do my subs in DVD Lab Pro, I use SubtitleCreator instead, one of the reasons I faced some problems when I tried to make that disc.
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I remember creating DVD menues years ago but it's so long time ago I can't recall what software I used. Let me know what software you use for the menues
I use Aegisub to make my own subtitles but the only format both Aegisub and DVD Lab Pro support out of the box is SRT. (I think DVD Lab Pro supports SSA 2.x also, but not 4.x or ASS.)
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It just came in my mind that perhaps I should take care of subtitles in Italian for the English DVD. Italians have never seen the "restored version" and I suppose many could be curious to watch it.
Luckly the new CGI version has dialogues closely translated so I can base my work on that.
What do you say msycamore?
My little experiments were laughed off by that damn beta tape. I did discover the JVC DVD recorder will accept the signal even though it's rolling, so I should be able to grab frames between rolls for color reference.
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Msycamore, the sequence of scenes on the Beta tape are as follows...
THX on trial
Robot police poke THX with sticks in detention (The pan and scan is so bad on this you hardly see the cops at times!)
THX probed and analyzed
THX controlled by unseen technicians
LUH visits THX in detention
Will try to post some screen caps tonight...
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Credits? We don't need no stinking credits! The guy running the telecine was either drunk or out getting a smoke at this point. I wonder if George ever saw this version? ;)
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