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HELP! Trying to Extend Jay&SilentBobStrikeBack! HELP!

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I tried searching through the forum using the search function but it came back with nothing for just ".vob" (minus quotes obviously) and I know that's a load of bull since I've seen ".vob" used here in this forum so I think the search function is broken!?!?!

Anyway all I want to do is add in the deleted scenes of a movie to create an extended edition, I already have everything ripped to my PC, I just wanna know what program would be the best for cutting the deleted scenes away from their introductions and joining them into the main movie where they are supposed to go, and I don't feel like doing a lot of video converting, so I know some applications can do this cutting/joining straight to the .vob files, I just don't know which applications, so it'd be great if someone could shed a little bit of light on the subject, thanks!
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I think the search function is broken by design. It only searches thread titles, not their contents.
If you search again, you might get one hit
If you insert "siteriginaltrilogy.com" (no quotes) before your Google search, you should have much better luck.

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Well I feel even more retarded than usual, but it's no big blow to my pride, anyway I was testing out womble and importerd the SOJ teaser trailer (which looks awesome btw, I can't wait to see it!) that was just sitting on my desktop and I was (to my amazement) able to cut parts of it away and move them around and then resave it without having to recode it, only problem is I don't remember how I did it and am confused as crap about how to get this thing to work the exact way I want it to, but rest assured my project is very slowly coming along and when it's done it will be posted to a torrent site probably demonoid, but long before that happens I will continue posting to ask questions on how the hell to do the things I don't know how to do, thanx to everyone for all the help!

Actually here is the next ?, my deleted scenes are letterboxed, the main movie is anamorphic, I would prefer it if my finished product were anamorphic, remember I'm using womble and trying my hardest not to spend a lot of time reencoding the video, so does anyone know how I solve this little problem?
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If you are wanting to change video from letterboxed to anamorphic, it has to be re-encoded I'm afraid.

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Well if that's what it takes it's worth it, a bit more info on how would be nice though, I feel like I'm missing something because everything is soo slow moving, you'd have to be a saint to do things the way I am trying to...

I'm using womble, I took the .vob with all the deleted scenes and have split up each and every scene into seperate clips, that took flippin forever on it's own, mind you I have a life and to do this I went without sleep for a couple of days, but it was worth it I suppose since I'm so passionate about the project, I'll give away the secret as to what I'm trying to do just for the record, I'm trying to make an extended edition of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, anyway, now as far as I know I have to take the entire movie and cut out all of the overlapping bits leaving the whole movie as individual clips and then put all of those together in order with the deleted scenes mixed in the timeline then export the video, am I doing this right because it's pretty hard, slow moving, and annoying! Somebody please help me!
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Well with the help of ReverendBeastly I'm now well on my way and understand what I need to do THANK YOU!

OK i'm an idiot I read ADM's guide and I now realize how to do the things I've been asking, but ofcourse this is all too complicated, isn't there one software program that will just take a dvd and take the main movie along with whatever deleted scenes you want and put them as video files and seperate audio files (for each channel) so that you can just cut and paste them to your hearts content without having to wait 20 years for it all to recode everything and lose a lot of precious quality in the process?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Oh and if this magic program could also convert letterboxed to anamorphic that would be grand seeing as the way I read is complicated and takes 20 years!
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Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
OK i'm an idiot I read ADM's guide and I now realize how to do the things I've been asking, but ofcourse this is all too complicated, isn't there one software program that will just take a dvd and take the main movie along with whatever deleted scenes you want and put them as video files and seperate audio files (for each channel) so that you can just cut and paste them to your hearts content without having to wait 20 years for it all to recode everything and lose a lot of precious quality in the process?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Well I heard about the new 10th anniversary Mallrats extended edition on DVD and so I got the idea to do this (because i don't wanna wait a few more years for Smith to do it himself, seeing as how he gets a hardon for tenth anniversaries, kinda like lucas and the whole arm-cutting thing!!) and also to add in the 100mins of deleted scenes to Dogma thats on the special 2 disc version. I'll also be decolorizing/cropping and adding in the "Flying Car" short to the unrated version of clerks, when they are on their way to the funeral I think it will fit in quite nicely.

Though it may never happen, something I would also like to do is take all the jay and silent bob oncamera action ever filmed and put it into one huge epic, but ofcourse this can't happen untill Smith finishes making them all, you know I heard they had so much fun filming Clerks 2 they plan on making it a trilogy!?!?!? Then again this could all just be fanboy speculation posted and reposted until it was told as fact, but whatever, smith calls himself a sellout on a seemingly daily basis so i bet there will be plenty more jay and bob seeing as how its what the fans want!

First off I'm currently honing my skills on Vegas while I wait, for what you ask... Someone I know on here is getting the workprint of Jay and Bob which has a small bit not on the dvd, they too will be doing an extended cut but it won't be released, so you bet yer arse that when they get it I'm sending them the disc and postage so i can get it!!!

Then I'll do JayAndBob first followed by Dogma followed by Clerks, incidently does anyone know about any other footage that might not have been released for Dogma or Mallrats? I'd like to have such footage if it exists!

BTW, Where possible i intend to add bits of outtakes (jay showing his balls when he pulls down his pants) or alternate versions of addlibbed lines that I like better (the stationhouse line, etc.). I'm also learning the art of rotoscoping, so the scene where the Marshall is on the news (the blue screen version) can be completed with a background!

Also seeing as how this has been turned into a project that just needs updating and discussion, rather than me asking stupid questions, would any kind moderator be willing to please move this thread into the proper forum?
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Has there ever been an anamorphic version of JASBSB? Its such a recent release, that for it to be non-anamorphic, Miramax would have to have been really lazy?

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The movie portion of J&SBSB was anamorphic, but none of the bonus material was, so the plethora of deleted scenes are all 4x3 letterbox.

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The following conversation goes in reverse order and should be read from the bottom up, this is a request for help, hopefully someone can shed some light on the subject!

Byakko

Date Posted: Thu September 14, 2006 10:17 PM
Your best bet would be to make a thread in the General Preservation and Fan Edits > Requests, How-To's, and Technical Discussions forum with a copy of this discussion and ask there what would be the course of action to take.

DarthBalls1138

Date Posted: Thu September 14, 2006 9:27 PM
well the video was vcd resolution and i need it dvd resolution, also its 4:3, it's letterboxed, i need the black bars cut down to 16:9, and i dont understand what you mean by overscan, and I guess mpeg2 would be the best bet for format. thanx

Byakko

Date Posted: Thu September 14, 2006 7:56 PM
Hold on, I'm not finished with that and already I found a way to make it look slightly better. There's no need to include me in the credits, although a copy of the DVD would be awesome.

As for the anamorphic issue, I'm not exactly sure what you mean, the video was rezised to 688x272 and borders were added to reach 720x480 with 2-block overscan in following of FitCD's recommendation. I almoste exclusively encode 4:3 material, so I don't know how to encode anamorphic.

If I understood FitCD correctly, anamorphic for a 2.35:1 source would mean resizing to 688x352, add borders to reach 720x480 and then encode the MPEG2 as 16:9. Ask in one of the forums if that's correct. Also, let me know if you want it to have overscan (all TVs have overscan and eat up some of the image, tha black bars are put so that they don't eat actual parts of the movie) and in what format you want me to send you the finished video (lossless, MPEG2, MPEG4, etc).

DarthBalls1138

Date Posted: Wed September 13, 2006 5:30 PM
Not much change but so far its better than nothing and better than I could do, lol, thank you for your work on this, i'll credit you on the dvd and send you a copy of it too if you want, also if you want me to help in any way on xmen just let me know, oh, and would it be possible for you to upscale the clip to dvd resolution and cut the top and bottom off to make it anamorphic, I'm an idiot at that stuff, if you don't I'll figure out a way but it would probably just downgrade your work and I don't really wanna see that happen, thanx again

Byakko

Date Posted: Wed September 13, 2006 5:13 PM
Wow, this one's extremely difficult because it has so little detail left. A very quick first approach netted this:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/975/1stcompay9.png

as you can see, there's hardly any difference, but I'll keep at it and report back.

Byakko

Date Posted: Tue September 12, 2006 9:24 PM
Will download and examine it ASAP.

DarthBalls1138

Date Posted: Sat September 09, 2006 3:19 PM
Just so that you know I'm trying to make an extended edition of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and this clip was not available on the DVD but I want to include it, as of now it is too jarring, I just need it to fit in between the DVD footage without it taking people out of the movie. Thanks again. I'll still help on subtitles, I don't fully know how but once I figure it out I have no problem watching a good show like X-men and typing what they say lol. I put my clip on rapidshare, I hope it worked right, here is the link: http://rapidshare.de/files/32541053/gays_who_are_gay.mpg.html
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The rapidshare link has expired.

Am I right in assuming that the original MPG was 352x240 (VCD resolution) with black bars 52px high top and bottom (so the used picture area was 136px high)?

I wouldn't include any overscan, but that's a personal preference.

I would crop, filter as necessary and resize to 720x364, then add in black bars to make up to 720x480.

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Here is a new updated link, thanks for the help so far, maybe this will solidify your answer.

http://rapidshare.de/files/35659895/gays_who_are_gay.mpg.html
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Moth3r, according to FitCD encoding a 2.35:1 source as 16:9 720x480 with no overscan would imply resizing to 720x288 and then adding 96px borders on the top and bottom. How did you come up with a vertical resolution of 364?

Anyway, here's a comparison frame of my latest attempt:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3332/compql3.png
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Originally posted by: Byakko
Moth3r, according to FitCD encoding a 2.35:1 source as 16:9 720x480 with no overscan would imply resizing to 720x288 and then adding 96px borders on the top and bottom. How did you come up with a vertical resolution of 364?
Having a look at the actual clip, I've now come up with a different figure. Here's my (simple) thinking:

The vertical height of the letterboxed picture is 128px. (Top border 55px, bottom 57px).

X 2 to get from 240 lines to 480 lines, = 256

X 1.333 to change from 4:3 to 16:9, = 341 (say 342 to make an even number).

Anamorphic image would look something like this:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4975/wsxb1.jpg

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So, DarthBalls1138, which way do you want me to go?
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No overscan for sure! Ok, if the actual picture data is 128 pixels high out of 240 then I dont see how the image could be 2.35:1, i'm pretty confused!
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The height of the video is 240 pixels.

Displayed at an aspect ratio of 4:3, the width is 240 x 4/3 = 320.

The letterboxed image is 128 pixels high, therefore the aspect ratio is 320/128 = 2.5:1

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You're wrong. The aspect ratio is not related to the number of pixels in the horizontal and vertical direction, it has to do with how the movie was encoded. Take a look at Amazon's page for this DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Strike-Back-Dimension-Collectors/dp/B00003CY67/sr=8-1/qid=1160510369/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-7058592-3206350?ie=UTF8

, it clearly states that the movie's aspect ratio is 2.35:1. Also, anamorphic widescreen encoding refers to [URL=]encoding the movie as 16:9 instead of 4:3 (fullscreen) as you can see here:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvd

and in each case the resizing settings are different.
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Well along with the cleaning up of the video I have the request of semi cropping the left side where the movie doesn't fill up the whole picture, crop down to the video itself, if it's 2.35:1 sweet deal, otherwise just crop it to where it would be 2.35:1 w/o being noticeable and then add black bars to reach 16x9 and upscale to 720x480 encode in mpeg2 and send it back, gracias!
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Originally posted by: Byakko
You're wrong. The method is correct, although I did make some simplifications:
- ignored the "fringe" parts where the letterboxed image merges into the black bars
- used 4:3 as an approximation to whatever the ITU standard gives for VCD
Originally posted by: Byakko
The aspect ratio is not related to the number of pixels in the horizontal and vertical direction, it has to do with how the movie was encoded. Take a look at Amazon's page for this DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Strike-Back-Dimension-Collectors/dp/B00003CY67/sr=8-1/qid=1160510369/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-7058592-3206350?ie=UTF8

, it clearly states that the movie's aspect ratio is 2.35:1. Also, anamorphic widescreen encoding refers to [URL=]encoding the movie as 16:9 instead of 4:3 (fullscreen) as you can see here:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvd

and in each case the resizing settings are different.
Not sure what you're trying to say here.

DarthBalls, how big are the black bars on the DVD?

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Nevermind, I checked the wrong option in FitCD and I was calculating for non-anamorphic encoding. 16:9, no-overscan encoding of a 2.35:1 NTSC source indeed implies resizing to 720x384 and then adding suitable borders. Sorry for the confusion . DarthBalls1138, I'll have the video up ASAP.
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Video encoding done. Do you want me to include the audio as it was or convert it to AC3 (stereo or 5.1, whichever you choose)?