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We all know there are colour issues in areas of the 2004 DVDs. But what's your take on the "dark" look?
Here's what I mean:
It would seem to me (after reading the excellent editorial on your site) that the blacks have been crunched to make the image punchier, and in the process detail is lost in the shadows. If I were doing my own restoration, I'd probably alter the brightness and gamma to match the laserdisc captures, thus:
But would it be correct to do this? It could be argued that the original film had a darkened, high contrast look to it, and the 2004 transfer captures the original look more effectively than any previous video release. It is not uncommon for a video transfer to reveal much more detail than was originally intended, depending on the choices made at the time of the transfer from the interpositive.
What did you do with this scene?
Second question: it would appear that the opening starfield on the 2004 DVDs is different from the 1993 laserdiscs. The 2004 starfield has much smaller, less effective stars, and you state that it's a CG starfield created for the DVDs (and went about recreating the original by hand).
How can you be sure that the laserdisc transfer represents the original starfield? Although I see no reason why it would be different, I've recently acquired a photograph, shot off the theatre screen in '77:
From the DVD:
The configuration (constellation?) of stars shown circled seems to match the DVD and not the laserdiscs! What's going on here?
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On the starfields: There is a blend between CG elements and original elements in the starfield. The original starfield has in some places been replaced, and in some places been enhanced. The original starfield, as a result of Lowry clean-up, had most of it's subtler stars eaten and the bigger ones lost their photographic bloom, so it can be hard to spot. But the crawl needed to be replaced, so it was impractical to use the original field for that section of the opening. But past the pan-down, it's mostly original. It's original in the next shot with the Star Destroyer approaching, too, as I recall. I have had to roto and re-balance every single starfield in every shot of the film, because no matter what the source, the original balance between background and foreground elements has long since been lost. Again, it's something you can sort of "see".
I had done digital grading for quite a few years before I took on Legacy, but I have learned more since I started than I would've thought possible. In many ways, ANH is like a grading final exam. So many worst-case scenarios. And without separate elements to recomposite, it means a lot of rotoscoping. In fact, it's mostly rotoscoping. And this would be true even if you had a pristine 4K scan - it'd just be easier to see where to roto.
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Originally posted by: mverta
... But past the pan-down, it's mostly original. It's original in the next shot with the Star Destroyer approaching, too, as I recall.
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So, can you think of a reason why the starfields appear differently on the laserdiscs? ... But past the pan-down, it's mostly original. It's original in the next shot with the Star Destroyer approaching, too, as I recall.
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http://aptirrelevance.com/otscreenshots/screenshots.php?shot=1
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That is, that "Y" shape appears about halfway between the moon and the horizon of Tatooine in one version, but flipped and much closer to the horizon in the other version. I think some of the other differing patterns in star intensities is due to the fact that it's an organic, imprecise optical composite and not a digital composite, so you get different looks as the light actually passes through the system. I'll do a more thorough comparison, but if you want to check yourself, go find the part of the shot before the Star Destroyer comes in and identify the Y shape, then do the requiste flipping and repositioning in Photoshop to see if they match. No matter how you cut it, this shot was composited at least twice.
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Re-balanced starfield, color correction, and engine glow (matches color, intensity and spread of other Falcon shots at similar distances).
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Since your project is publicly documented but strictly privately held, you don't mind that people take your suggestion for fixes and incorporate them into their own projects, do you? That's the spirit of the Legacy Edition, isn't it?
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Originally posted by: mverta
Here is the fixed version, by the way...
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Here is the fixed version, by the way...
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THAT'S BEAUTIFUL !!!
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Originally posted by: mverta
That is ABSOLUTELY the spirit of Legacy Edition! I have been detailing not only what I did, but also how I did it, so that others may reverse-engineer their own versions from it.
That is ABSOLUTELY the spirit of Legacy Edition! I have been detailing not only what I did, but also how I did it, so that others may reverse-engineer their own versions from it.
I know you're probably a very busy man and don't have too much time to update the Legacy Edition site. However, I've enjoyed reading through it and perhaps when I get a new computer next year I may start following your documentation and have a go at this for myself. Everything you've done looks great. Just wanted to let you since you say that's the spirit of the project.
To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com
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Originally posted by: Moth3r[/i I've recently acquired a photograph, shot off the theatre screen in '77:
Where did you get that and do you have any more??
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Care to go into more detail about the additional material from private collections?
No naming names or anything, but what format(s) is this material on? Is it the full film, or just odds and ends?
Cheers,
John.
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Amazing job on restoring Star Wars! Would love to see the final comparisons on your site when you've finished. By the way, I just sent you a PM about visual effects.
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I've had two PM's from you with the exact same message touting software.
mods. have we been spammed or something?
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