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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I think that someone who doesn’t know Cushing is dead would assume that it was a real person and be totally fooled. In my opintion they did a fantastic job.

That’s what I’ve been hearing. We give it much more scrutiny because we’re so familiar with the man, but even my parents who knew he must have been dead were convinced.

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It was seamless to most of the people I saw it with.

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Where were you in '77?

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My parents had no idea and were surprised when I told them that he had died in 1994.

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Does this excuse it though? All it proves is that it’s a passable effect.

I mean, I thought the CG in the PT was really good when I was a kid. In my teens I started to realize how imperfect it was. Now much of it just looks awful. I have a feeling that the new SW movies will suffer from the same effect over the next couple of decades. Maybe not as much (thanks to a decent amount of practical effects), but I don’t think they’ll age too well. And I think Tarkin will be one of the effects that will stand out the most.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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ZkinandBonez said:

Does this excuse it though? All it proves is that it’s a passable effect.

I mean, I thought the CG in the PT was really good when I was a kid. In my teens I started to realize how imperfect it was. Now much of it just looks awful. I have a feeling that the new SW movies will suffer from the same effect over the next couple of decades. Maybe not as much (thanks to a decent amount of practical effects), but I don’t think they’ll age too well. And I think Tarkin will be one of the effects that will stand out the most.

You’re definitely not wrong.

Back in the day, we all thought that the graphics provided by the Nintendo 64 and Playstation 1 were as lifelike as it would ever be. CGI ages, and it’s usually poorly.

Perhaps they will continually update them as time goes on? =P

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NeverarGreat said:
Furthermore, in the case of Tarkin, he distracted from the primary villain: Krennick.

I would say the main villain was supposed to be Tarkin all the way, and then Krennick was created just because by the very premise of this movie, the villain would have to be defeated and shown as incompetent, and going by his rank, position and reputation in ANH, Tarkin wouldn’t have been the case.

However, a Star Wars movie centered around the Death Star one week before the beginning of ANH without any trace of Tarkin would have raised a lot of questions as well.

I think the solution they found to solve this issue was, among many other things, elegant, regardless of how good CGI was.

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Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
Furthermore, in the case of Tarkin, he distracted from the primary villain: Krennick.

I would say the main villain was supposed to be Tarkin all the way, and then Krennick was created just because by the very premise of this movie, the villain would have to be defeated and shown as incompetent, and going by his rank, position and reputation in ANH, Tarkin wouldn’t have been the case.

However, a Star Wars movie centered around the Death Star one week before the beginning of ANH without any trace of Tarkin would have raised a lot of questions as well.

I think the solution they found to solve this issue was, among many other things, elegant, regardless of how good CGI was.

^This.

And it all depends really, when it comes to CG. I still say Jurassic Park looks stunning to this day. I think RO’s Tarkin will age fine.

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He’s a computer program so he won’t age at all. :p

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Tobar said:

Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
Furthermore, in the case of Tarkin, he distracted from the primary villain: Krennick.

I would say the main villain was supposed to be Tarkin all the way, and then Krennick was created just because by the very premise of this movie, the villain would have to be defeated and shown as incompetent, and going by his rank, position and reputation in ANH, Tarkin wouldn’t have been the case.

However, a Star Wars movie centered around the Death Star one week before the beginning of ANH without any trace of Tarkin would have raised a lot of questions as well.

I think the solution they found to solve this issue was, among many other things, elegant, regardless of how good CGI was.

^This.

And it all depends really, when it comes to CG. I still say Jurassic Park looks stunning to this day. I think RO’s Tarkin will age fine.

Just remember that there’s more practical effects dinosaurs in Jurassic Park then there are CG ones. Having animatronics/puppets in close-ups does help make the CG in tge wide shots seem more convincing, despite its age.

(I personally think the lack of this technique will have a negative impact on current CG when rewatched in the future.)

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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Tobar said:

Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
Furthermore, in the case of Tarkin, he distracted from the primary villain: Krennick.

I would say the main villain was supposed to be Tarkin all the way, and then Krennick was created just because by the very premise of this movie, the villain would have to be defeated and shown as incompetent, and going by his rank, position and reputation in ANH, Tarkin wouldn’t have been the case.

However, a Star Wars movie centered around the Death Star one week before the beginning of ANH without any trace of Tarkin would have raised a lot of questions as well.

I think the solution they found to solve this issue was, among many other things, elegant, regardless of how good CGI was.

^This.

And it all depends really, when it comes to CG. I still say Jurassic Park looks stunning to this day. I think RO’s Tarkin will age fine.

Good points. I think the lighting in the Tarkin scenes lends itself to the CGI and its aging well. Leia’s scene perhaps not as much.

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Tyrphanax said:

Tobar said:

Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
Furthermore, in the case of Tarkin, he distracted from the primary villain: Krennick.

I would say the main villain was supposed to be Tarkin all the way, and then Krennick was created just because by the very premise of this movie, the villain would have to be defeated and shown as incompetent, and going by his rank, position and reputation in ANH, Tarkin wouldn’t have been the case.

However, a Star Wars movie centered around the Death Star one week before the beginning of ANH without any trace of Tarkin would have raised a lot of questions as well.

I think the solution they found to solve this issue was, among many other things, elegant, regardless of how good CGI was.

^This.

And it all depends really, when it comes to CG. I still say Jurassic Park looks stunning to this day. I think RO’s Tarkin will age fine.

Good points. I think the lighting in the Tarkin scenes lends itself to the CGI and its aging well. Leia’s scene perhaps not as much.

It was brief enough that it worked, though. She may not have looked exactly like Carrie (as I understand it, the actress’s eyes shined through to prevent the “dead eye” effect), but from what I remember seeing she didn’t look like she wasn’t a real human. Tarkin’s did for brief moments, usually with more complex movements as he turned about and such.

I saw the movie with someone who is not familiar with Cushing or Tarkin, and they didn’t question it being a real person for the first few scenes. Leia obviously stood out as everyone knows Princess Leia.

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Regardless of how advanced cgi technology is, I think it would be a mistake to include leia as a significant character in 9 if it could only be done that way.

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‘Star Wars’ Braintrust Sets Meeting to Plot Leia’s Life After Carrie Fisher’s Death

“insiders tell The Hollywood Reporter that at least two key scenes are planned for Episode VIII and Episode IX: a Leia reunion with Luke Skywalker and a confrontation with Kylo Ren.”

“insiders say Leia was to have been a bigger part of Episode IX than VIII.”

“Trevorrow […] is due to arrive in L.A. the week of Jan. 10 for meetings with Lucasfilm’s Kathleen Kennedy to discuss options.”

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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Later in that article:

Another solution is to use CGI effects…"‘Rogue One’ is the road map," says one “Star Wars” source, referring to Lucasfilm resurrecting Peter Cushing and making Fisher young again in the current hit.

It sounds like their plan is to double down on the video game cutscenes. Maybe PIXAR can take over at some point.

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Tarkin was totally believable to me. Fantastic work. But Leia is the one I have a problem with. Just her one short scene still was off for me. It was her mouth - they didn’t quite get it right.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

This is no way for anyone to die.

I think murderers should die in the exact same way they murder their victims

Alderaan said:

Later in that article:

Another solution is to use CGI effects…"‘Rogue One’ is the road map," says one “Star Wars” source, referring to Lucasfilm resurrecting Peter Cushing and making Fisher young again in the current hit.

It sounds like their plan is to double down on the video game cutscenes. Maybe PIXAR can take over at some point.

Seeing as how Disney is undoubtedly not going to wait until the technology is ready I hope they at least can touch up the CGI characters in subsequent releases of the films that implement this technique…which could be every damn one of them for all we know.

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Alderaan said:

Later in that article:

Another solution is to use CGI effects…"‘Rogue One’ is the road map," says one “Star Wars” source, referring to Lucasfilm resurrecting Peter Cushing and making Fisher young again in the current hit.

It sounds like their plan is to double down on the video game cutscenes. Maybe PIXAR can take over at some point.

I always take anything from a “source” with a grain of salt.

I think they could beautifully write in Leia’s death to serve as a tribute to Carrie Fisher and an emotional sendoff for the fans for both the character of Leia and Carrie Fisher.

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ferris209 said:

I think they could beautifully write in Leia’s death to serve as a tribute to Carrie Fisher and an emotional sendoff for the fans for both the character of Leia and Carrie Fisher.

Don’t know how much Star Wars could benefit of playing with the fourth wall that way. Kilo being a Darth Vader fan that is shown in his intimacy speaking to a mask almost tore it down.

I hope they let Leia be Leia, and give the character a logical conclussion to its arc, whatever they decided it to be; and let us grieve Carrie in the real world where she belongs.

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I was making a general statement so reading your post it seemed to me that you were accusing Debbie of being a killer. Or maybe that’s by weed addled mind.

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I could take limited CGI to write out Leia if they can’t do it with the footage they have. It wouldn’t be ideal but no one ever wanted to be here- they all wanted Carrie Fisher to be able to close out the Leia character.

Any plans to kill off Luke won’t happen now.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher