Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher — Page 2

The recent Star Trek film handled the loss of Leonard Nimoy with grace. (Even though Spock Prime not appearing in any future installments could be more easily explained away.) Leia simply can’t vanish without some sort of explanation.

Dammit. I’m gonna cry at the end of Episode VIII, aren’t I?

Honestly, I’d just give up on the whole project. It’s hopeless without such a key player.

emanswfan said:

Tyrphanax said:

Dammit. I’m gonna cry at the end of Episode VIII, aren’t I?

I suspect the same for me. I went to another Rogue One showing and people couldn’t hold back the tears at the end tonight…

In a state of such surrealism still, it hasn’t quite hit me yet. My childhood…

We all probably will. She’s been a part of our lives for so long.

FrankT said:

Honestly, I’d just give up on the whole project. It’s hopeless without such a key player.

Would you dial back the negative waves? They finished principal photography on Episode 8 you know.

SilverWook said:

The recent Star Trek film handled the loss of Leonard Nimoy with grace. (Even though Spock Prime not appearing in any future installments could be more easily explained away.) Leia simply can’t vanish without some sort of explanation.

Exactly, Spock’s arc in Beyond is specifically defined by the loss of Nimoy and for me is the heart of the movie. I’m not sure how I’d be able to deal with 9 if Luke’s arc isn’t specifically about losing Han & Leia.

SilverWook said:

FrankT said:

Honestly, I’d just give up on the whole project. It’s hopeless without such a key player.

Would you dial back the negative waves? They finished principal photography on Episode 8 you know.

Good! But they’ll have to cancel Episode 9.

FrankT said:

SilverWook said:

FrankT said:

Honestly, I’d just give up on the whole project. It’s hopeless without such a key player.

Would you dial back the negative waves? They finished principal photography on Episode 8 you know.

Good! But they’ll have to cancel Episode 9.

They have to? Damn, dude, get a grip. You’re not the only one to be upset about this. Carrie would have not wanted that her fans and SW fans in general to be denied more movies just because of her. She knows the films are important to many and she would never deny making them because of her. We all wish she could be in the future films but that’s not the case now so deal with it. Same goes to Mark, they both have big hearts and they both would want the series to continue with or without them.

Anyways, I don’t know anything about VIII and hopefully this thread won’t get any spoilers, but I could imagine they have hard decisions to make plot-wise.

ferris209 said:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/disney-faces-star-wars-size-dilemma-over-loss-235015748--finance.html

Re-casting her seems completely out of the question to me, and I don’t think the fans will be able to just accept her suddenly being gone from ep. IX through some excuse in the opening crawl. I have a feeling that she’ll have too big a part in ep. VIII for that to make sense. Lucasfilm/Johnson have roughly 10 months or so to “solve” this problem, so they might have to give her some heroic death scene, most likely (partially) off-screen like ferris suggested. It could work narrative-wise as Rey has already lost a father-figure in Han, so doing something similar for ep. VIII could work.

There’s obviously no ideal solution when something like this happens, but I trust Jonson and Lucasfim will find a solution that will be respectful to both Fisher and her character, while also feeling more-or-less natural to the plot of the future films.

MalàStrana said:

And nobody is wondering how they are going to make IX without Kenny Baker ?

Kenny Baker was in R2 in probably one shot that was deleted from the final cut of TFA. Same with RotS and maybe even AotC. It was ceremonial ever since they could actually make droids that worked reliably.

MalàStrana said:

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This is in poor taste.

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thelionslicer said:

I guess there’s the really unlikely possibility they already killed her character in this movie.

I’m guessing that Solo died because Harrison Ford had grown to hate the role and wanted him to die. I didn’t get the impression that Carrie wanted the same… rather, it seemed like she was happy to be reprising her character.

ferris209 said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

thelionslicer said:

I guess there’s the really unlikely possibility they already killed her character in this movie.

I’m guessing that Solo died because Harrison Ford had grown to hate the role and wanted him to die. I didn’t get the impression that Carrie wanted the same… rather, it seemed like she was happy to be reprising her character.

Ford wanted Solo dead for a long time, the freezing of Han in carbonite back in ESB was a middle ground that they came to in order to keep the option open to bring Solo back, which they did. Ford wanted Solo dead by the end of ESB.

I never got that impression from the original making of ESB book. Ford did not have a contract for a third film at the time. He wasn’t sure he wanted to come back at that point. It was even suggested that Yoda’s line “there is another” was partially a cover all bases strategy in the wake of the serious car crash Mark Hamill suffered between SW and ESB.

I never heard dead Solo talk from Harrison until Jedi.

SilverWook said:

ferris209 said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

thelionslicer said:

I guess there’s the really unlikely possibility they already killed her character in this movie.

I’m guessing that Solo died because Harrison Ford had grown to hate the role and wanted him to die. I didn’t get the impression that Carrie wanted the same… rather, it seemed like she was happy to be reprising her character.

Ford wanted Solo dead for a long time, the freezing of Han in carbonite back in ESB was a middle ground that they came to in order to keep the option open to bring Solo back, which they did. Ford wanted Solo dead by the end of ESB.

I never got that impression from the original making of ESB book. Ford did not have a contract for a third film at the time. He wasn’t sure he wanted to come back at that point. It was even suggested that Yoda’s line “there is another” was partially a cover all bases strategy in the wake of the serious car crash Mark Hamill suffered between SW and ESB.

I never heard dead Solo talk from Harrison until Jedi.

As it is stated by Lucas in Empire of Dreams, after Star Wars Ford did not want to sign the contract for two more films like the rest of the cast. I think there is a common false idea among fans that Ford wanted Solo to be killed in the Jedi for the “sake of the story”. Ford simply did not want to be in Jedi at all and his idea was probably to kill Solo in way he would not be needed.

Now that I think about it, the whole carbon freezing scene might been just a convenient plot device for Lucas to be safe in case Ford refused to be in Jedi. That way he could easily either make Solo dead or “rescue him” in the last film.

Debbie Reynolds (Fisher’s mother) has been rushed to the hospital; possible stroke is the cause. Best of wishes for the family during this grave hour.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/28/debbie-reynolds-hospitalized-stroke/

JawsTDS said:

Debbie Reynolds (Fisher’s mother) has been rushed to the hospital; possible stroke is the cause. Best of wishes for the family at this grave hour.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/28/debbie-reynolds-hospitalized-stroke/

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Can we not have one day?!

How terribly sad. Extreme grief can lead to this. Prayers to her and especially her son. Could you imagine?

UPDATE: Debbie Reynolds has passed on, sadly. This is truly awful. I can’t begin to fathom how the family is currently feeling. This is utterly terrible.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/28/debbie-reynolds-dead/

I’ll wait until I hear the news from a more reputable site. TMZ is sleaze.