Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 77

Quackula said:

generalfrevious said:

The OOT will never be officially brought back, just the way no one can raise a dead person to life.

you're awfully dramatic

 

Lucas knows there's demand, and he's obviously at least a little bit willing to meet us halfway given the fact that he put out the GOUT. Sure it was a sloppy laserdisc transfer, but it's something, and that tells me that he's warming up a bit more to the idea that these films, in their original forms, do deserve to be preserved alongside his "true vision".

He's not warming up to anything. He just wanted to twist the knife in our hearts by releasing the product we want but making it so shockingly substandard we would not want to buy it. Thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that people don't want the OOT, they want the SE. What Lucas doesn't understand is that others created a cultural id that has transcended film and he has taken credit for it, in spite of being an untalented hack.

Quackula said:

you're awfully dramatic

Someone has to be dramatic in this apathetic age.

jamcsma said:

From Blu-ray.com:

Star Wars 

"The versions that are being released are closest to George Lucas' vision. Other than that, no comment."

 That's the thing that worries me. Though I think it would be fun to spot the new changes, I think the buck should stop here. I only hope that these versions on the Blu are the DVD versions.

I find the notion that Lucas harbors some malicious hatred towards us, and that everything including GOUT has been part of his grand scheme to present his 'true vision' to be pretty absurd.

I believe that about as much as I believe that Luke and Leia being siblings was some kind of carefully planned plot element.

Lucas is simply hopelessly out of touch, probably blinded mostly by his success and inflated sense of ego. Besides, everything we know about Lucas tells us that he doesn't actually plan that far ahead. He just does things and then pretends he planned to do them the whole time.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

bkev said:

Some people need to understand these are just movies, even if we'd like to see them the right way...

No, they are not just movies.  That's like saying that the Mona Lisa is "just a painting".  Both are major cultural artifacts.

Sure, they are major cultural artifacts and should be preserved.  They aren't just movies.  But they aren't a cure for cancer either.

All bkev wants is a little perspective.

generalfrevious said:

Someone has to be dramatic in this apathetic age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7joApY9dnw

Never realised this but we're on Page 77! Get it? Star Wars was released in 1977. :P

*crickets*

1913 is the year Peter Cushing was born...

lol, that's true.

captainsolo said:

SilverWook said:

If only someone could figure out how to decode the theatrical DTS discs of the SE's that are floating around...

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!

Does anyone actually have any of these?

Have you checked with Jedi Temple34?

SilverWook said:

If only someone could figure out how to decode the theatrical DTS discs of the SE's that are floating around...

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?12662-DTS-Star-Wars-Cinema-CDs-decode

The DTS processor in the projection booth gets timecode from the projector, and the timecode on the print has an id that must correspond to the CD’s id, ensuring that the wrong audio will not play with a print.

In other words, if you rent a standard DTS cinema decoder, you will need to have the film print as well as the CDs.

A tad of info, never heard of these before.  If it's just a code then that can probably be worked around.  but like DeCSS need to know the system.

*EDIT*

very old doom9 thread

http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-43730.html

You do realise, I hope, that content-wise it is very unlikely that the theatrical DTS 5.1 mixes contain any significant differences from what is on the SE laserdiscs.  The sound quality could well be superior to 384 kbps ac3, but the only thing truly different about them is that the LFE information will be stored in the surround channels, intended to be low-pass filtered out to the subwoofers, since bandwidth concerns prevent the bass from having its own channel.  There may also be some phase differences because of things like that, but only insofar as to be made optimal for the format.

Theatrical DTS is a different codec from the home video version anyway, so even if the timecodes could be read properly, putting it through your receiver or a software decoder wouldn't do any good.

hairy_hen said:

The thing that interests me most though if I'm honest, is the sound mix for each film in lossless audio and the potential benefits of using the blu-rays to further enhance fanedits.

I'll grant that higher quality source material will certainly increase the potential of fan projects, but having the eff'd up 2004 ANH mix in lossless does no one any good at all.  A higher resolution copy of absolute garbage is still absolute garbage, and unlike the image problems there's just no fixing it--it's beyond any salvaging.

I'm not the biggest fan of the '97 SE mix, since it has many unnecessary changes and rather less power than the original 70mm version, but if that was my only option for hearing any version of the movie I'd take it and be glad.  It still sounds like Star Wars, unlike the '04 which isn't even remotely recognisable.  And whatever even-more-remixed nonsense the Bluray comes up with will probably be even worse.

Well, I agree the messed up sound mix will certainly NOT help - but what do we really know at this point about the sound mix? I can only hope, that they correct the issue with the 2004 mix - at least you'd think they would!

Higher resolution material is still higher resolution material. Working with something that is in higher quality will definitely help on lots of fronts - mainly the colour correcting which is hard to do with the broadcast versions without it causing artefacts due to the limited quality - you can only do so many layers of colour corrections and compressing before you see floaters and other strange artefacts on objects. I think overall it will be slightly easier to work with, but it won't be perfect.