Correcting the Senator frame for the inevitable green shift inherent to Technicolor prints, contrast, and saturation, yields the following comparison between my first and second regrading attempt.
Bluray:
Bluray regraded v1:
Bluray regraded v2:
I’m definitely leaning toward v2 of that frame. I checked it against the Silver Screen Edition and they match pretty well. Of course, those are Eastman colors and not strictly Technicolor.
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Here the same frame from one of the previews of the SSE before they did their color correction, and it indeed matches up very well with v2, so v2 it is:
DrDre said:
It is possible to closely match the Senator photo …
The Senator photos screeners (taken by some guy with a new camera and still fiddling with it while trying to take pictures in the dark of the theatre) are better than nothing but they’re very far from any kind of color reference, as I once demonstrated in The Matrix thread …
If the Star Wars sequence cross-cut shots look good together … all having the same sky color … then that’s what to go with.
Here is Adywan’s version of how that particular shot looked:
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(How could I resist. I assume the link explains such things but not 100% sure)
Here is Adywan’s version of how that particular shot looked:
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/e6u37Ws.png" alt>
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Eh…Can someone show me a link on how to post pictures on this board?
OMG! Use that! Your version 2 added a blue tint to the mountains, which this shot doesn’t have.
Spaced Ranger said:
If the Star Wars sequence cross-cut shots look good together … all having the same sky color … then that’s what to go with.
I agree, but we’ve been able to confirm the accuracy of the corrected Senator photos with -1’s LPP.
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Dreamaster said:
OMG! Use that! Your version 2 added a blue tint to the mountains, which this shot doesn’t have.
IMO the problem with that version is that the blue sky makes it almost seem like a composite shot. The foreground and background don’t blend. I’ve updated v2 slighty, to match the LPP version.
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Click quote on DrDre’s image posts, and you should see what you need to post an image.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
I much prefer v2 of that regraded obi-wan shot, but frankly that JSC laserdisc pic you posted has the best colors IMO.
EDIT: screenshot of the pics side by side http://jmp.sh/LJmgORO
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Oooh, I actually looked at the markdown demo, and it has this to say about images:
Jedit: oh no, I can’t post it. The examples are real images. Guess you’re gonna have to read the link.
“Ow! It`s hot in here, the butter in my pocket is melting!”
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Here is a version that I customized myself, but it doesn’t have any hint of Blue Sky that I can see:
And here is the shot from the SSE:
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Here is a version that I customized myself, but it doesn’t have any hint of Blue Sky that I can see:
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Good skin tones in that one for sure! It does kind of make one want to click on the white with a “fill bucket” in photoshop for everyframe or something though!
Somehow I felt none of the previous versions of that frame has that photorealistic quality. There all too monochrome and lack depth. So, I decided to do a google search, to see if I could find a movie still, that feels right. I found one that’s perfect for me:
This movie still imo has the proper skin tone, color of Obi-Wan’s robe, and depth, so I decided to use it as a reference for regrade v3.
Bluray:
Bluray regraded v3:
Man, I prefer bbcode to markdown. 😕
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
My take on this frame is, that the color of the blue sky can only be seen at unrealisticly low contrast levels for a high definition release. In other words it can only be seen when projected in the movie theatre, because film has a much higher color depth, or on a low contrast home video release like the JSC laserdisc, but not on your HDTV at the proper bluray contrast settings, without appearing artificial.
Though we’re focusing on this frame, I find that much of this scene has a similar weirdness to it (including the view looking out from R2’s cave. I think settings should probably be determined taking multiple shots into account.
Though we’re focusing on this frame, I find that much of this scene has a similar weirdness to it (including the view looking out from R2’s cave. I think settings should probably be determined taking multiple shots into account.
What I usually do, is that I correct the same frame on the print to this reference frame, and then correct the other frames in the scene with that color correction model, which should then yield the references for the other shots in the scene. This way the color grading for the scene will be consistent, aside from a few tiny adjustments, related to correcting anomalies in the print scans.
I must say, that the print scans are not always up to par, and require quite a bit of correction. Working on this, I can also appreciate how difficult Harmy’s job was color grading the Despecialized Edition, based on those scans. I’m not sure how NeverarGreat deals with the issues of the print scans, but it’s a lot of work. 😉 For example, the shots of the stormtroopers discovering the pod look terribly overexposed on the scans, and nothing like the bluray, which is really dark for this scene:
So, in the end I had to correct the shot using production stills to guide me:
Leading to this color grade:
Did you look at references for Despecialized v2.6?
What I usually do, is that I correct the same frame on the print to this reference frame, and then correct the other frames in the scene with that color correction model, which should then yield the references for the other shots in the scene. This way the color grading for the scene will be consistent …
That’s an excellent approach! (I missed it, if previously stated.)
Just a personal taste observation: Tatooine is a desert planet (yes, the whole planet – this is sci-fi after all). It is a light-blue sky & hot during the day. It goes sunset-red to darkness & cold at night. Aqua skies would just look wrong to me. (I eye-dropper’d that last shot and noticed blue is anemic in the stormtrooper’s shadows. If blue was boosted, that might also produce a better sky – more like that on-the-set shot.)
Yes, that stormtrooper shot still needs some fine tuning.
I like that Regrade #3. Obi-wans hair is a good grey, and his cheeks and nose are somewhat pinkish/rosy. The side of the cliffs though, seem a bit washed out just a bit, but that’s the best one IMHO, so far.
