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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 143

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Movies Remastered said:

Yeah, ive played with several motion tracks for that but I can’t seem to find one that suits. I’ll keep trying.

Do you have any version without the the smoke puff and just the blue sparks?

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I like V3!

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I’ve been thinking, when Finn and Jannah deactivate the tower on the Finalizer, Poe immediately says “nav signal’s down, but not for long” which indicates that they know the “nav-signal” is going to come back soon, and he would only be able to know that if the same were true for the tower on the ground - which was their initial plan. This makes sense, because if they were able to stop the ships from deploying for good, then why would they need Lando & Company to help? It seems like the plan was always to delay the takeoff long enough for help to come and destroy the ships.
So… is there a way to make that clear in the movie itself?

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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I don’t remember who it was that removed the ILM watermark from the extended shot of the starfighters charging into battle, but would anyone be willing to try doing the same to this clip here?
https://youtu.be/bDa5h3cj1DU?t=167

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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JakeRyan17 said:

Yeah, Obi-Wan intentionally misled Luke, and it’s addressed.

TRoS presents Luke as spending years searching for Exegol and the Wayfinders. It doesn’t frame it as the Force Ghosts lied to him about where they were, it doesn’t frame it as anything other than a man looked everywhere and asked everyone… except the one person who knew, who he uniquely could communicate with.

It becomes a plot hole because we’re told a character exerted himself, almost desperately, to find something without trying the most basic thing that would also have worked. Like, did Luke get bitter with his father’s redeemed spirit?

Maybe, if it’s not a plot hole, we can at least agree it’s an unnecessarily stupid plot contrivance setting up the videogame-style trading sequence of multiple MacGuffins that we have instead of a story.

Do we have any evidence that Anakin manifested as a force ghost ever again after Endor? Yes we hear his voice on Exegol but that could literally be the first time he’s made contact in that way since ROTJ.

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We don’t, but it’s implied that Force Ghosts control when they appear and don’t, based on Ben choosing when he appears and doesn’t throughout the original trilogy and Yoda choosing when to appear during The Last Jedi.

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Yeah but ghosts… don’t necessarily act like human beings who take the world seriously. They are perhaps more like divine figures who intervene according to something else.

I know in SW it’s more a literal ghost, but I interpret that to speak to something internal and/or universal, where a transfer of technical information…

Yeah idk, none of this is validated by Ben in ROTJ. lol

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I guess, we see Ben act so often of his own volition, it just seems strange that Anakin would not do the same, especially as Luke is at his most “connected to the Force”.

So, unless Anakin was prevented from speaking to Luke and willed Palpatine to return union I’m êtes and rebuild his forces on Exegol… it still seems like a plot hole. Not one that can be fixed really, but still one that is there.

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I really like the idea that Force Ghosts don’t physically manifest except to those who have seen them in life. It serves as an in-universe explanation and also clarifies the storytelling; it’s much better to expand on existing character relationships than to introduce new ones for the sake of the fans.

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That’s not the point, because Anakin has before appeared to Luke. Anakin is the one who knows about the Wayfinders and Exegol, and has used them in the current run of Darth Vader comics. So, when Luke was searching for the Wayfinders to find Exegol, there’s no reason Anakin’s Ghost shouldn’t have told him, or that Luke wouldn’t have asked.

It’s just sloppy writing in TRoS, not a big deal and something we just have to live with… but there’s no real logic to fix it without reshooting the movie.

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Oh, I know. This started as posting a silly TikTok.

To honestly fix it, I imagine you’d need to define why Luke gave up the search. I’d love for it to be he sensed Grogu and left to go be in The Mandalorian and was simply to preoccupied with training Jedi after that to bother with finding ancient Sith and Jedi attifants… but that’s really the only thing I could see doing it.

Also, not a plot hole, but why did Lando stay on Pasaana for 30 years? Like, Luke bails on the search, and Lando just… vibes in the desert for 30 years? Gave up searching for (presumably) Jannah?

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Lol, trying to apply logic to this movie…

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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JakeRyan17 said:

Oh, I know. This started as posting a silly TikTok.

To honestly fix it, I imagine you’d need to define why Luke gave up the search. I’d love for it to be he sensed Grogu and left to go be in The Mandalorian and was simply to preoccupied with training Jedi after that to bother with finding ancient Sith and Jedi attifants… but that’s really the only thing I could see doing it.

Also, not a plot hole, but why did Lando stay on Pasaana for 30 years? Like, Luke bails on the search, and Lando just… vibes in the desert for 30 years? Gave up searching for (presumably) Jannah?

It’s already explained in the film.

LANDO: Luke and I were tailing an old Jedi hunting. Ochi of Bestoon. He was carrying a clue that could lead to a wayfinder. We followed his ship halfway across the galaxy here. When we got to his ship, it was abandoned… No clue. No wayfinder.

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That doesn’t answer why Anakin’s ghost doesn’t tell Luke that the Wayfinder is chilling in his Castle’s back yard, or why Lando stayed on Pasaana for the next 30 years though.

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Exactly, haha.

I’d have been curious about that though, would the cult (whose loyalties were directly to Vader rather than The Emperor or The Sith) recognise Luke as being Vader’s heir and accept him to some degree?

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I’d legit like a comic or short story in which Luke rummages around Vader’s castle, doesn’t find it, and leaves. I mean, who among us would have scoured a square mile of area outside for it?

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Totally! Or even him giving up on the search because of Grogu, that shift in priorities would be a compelling narrative.

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leftshoe18 said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Yeah, Obi-Wan intentionally misled Luke, and it’s addressed.

TRoS presents Luke as spending years searching for Exegol and the Wayfinders. It doesn’t frame it as the Force Ghosts lied to him about where they were, it doesn’t frame it as anything other than a man looked everywhere and asked everyone… except the one person who knew, who he uniquely could communicate with.

It becomes a plot hole because we’re told a character exerted himself, almost desperately, to find something without trying the most basic thing that would also have worked. Like, did Luke get bitter with his father’s redeemed spirit?

Maybe, if it’s not a plot hole, we can at least agree it’s an unnecessarily stupid plot contrivance setting up the videogame-style trading sequence of multiple MacGuffins that we have instead of a story.

Do we have any evidence that Anakin manifested as a force ghost ever again after Endor? Yes we hear his voice on Exegol but that could literally be the first time he’s made contact in that way since ROTJ.

We kind of do! From the (wonderful) reference book “The Secrets of the Jedi”. You can see the page I’m referring to here:

https://twitter.com/AaronQuinton78/status/1159197775562715140/photo/3

The specific part I’m talking about reads: “Their spirits guided me for many years but vanished when I shut myself off from the Force.” So technically no direct confirmation that Anakin physically manifested again, but it feels heavily implied to me.

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Anakin’s never been the most sensible guy. FACPOV suggests it’s quite painful for force ghosts to separate themselves from the Force, so maybe they can only manage to do it a limited amount, and perhaps every time Anakin manifests he gets distracted talking about that time he fought the Zillo Beast, or that time Obi-Wan faked his death to Face/Off a criminal, or that time he beat up Rush Clovis for hitting on Luke’s mum… Or maybe ghost Anakin just finds it difficult to talk about the twenty years he spent as a Sith. (I’m not seriously suggesting any of this is an actual justification for the plot hole.)

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The best way to understand not just the current topic, but most of the sequels:

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”