Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 14

FreezingTNT2 said:

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Darth Lucas said:

Octorox said:

Darth Lucas said:

Add other force ghosts to the Luke/Leia shot like Anakin and Obi Wan.

With the exception of Ben, I don’t really get this suggestion. Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan have no meaning or significance to Rey. They did to Luke, but we already got that scene at the end of Return of the Jedi.

What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies. The protagonists are the new characters: Rey, Ben, Finn, Poe, and Rose. Any OT or PT characters should be there to support their character development, not to steal the spotlight.

Obi Wan has significance to Rey. Anakin has significance to Ben Solo, who would be there in this version. The thought of ending the “Skywalker Saga” without at least Anakin having some importance seems off to me.

Exactly. Everything, and I mean everything, hinges around this character and how he affected the entire galaxy.

“You must unlearn what you have learned.” It wasn’t the story of Anakin until the prequels reframed the saga. The ST has simply reframed the saga again.

I’m referring to the events within this saga, not the franchise itself.

Well if we’re talking about within the story itself and not the franchise itself, Anakin died what ten years before Rey was even born? Why would him showing up to wave at Rey be relevant to her story?

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Darth Lucas said:

Octorox said:

Darth Lucas said:

Add other force ghosts to the Luke/Leia shot like Anakin and Obi Wan.

With the exception of Ben, I don’t really get this suggestion. Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan have no meaning or significance to Rey. They did to Luke, but we already got that scene at the end of Return of the Jedi.

What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies. The protagonists are the new characters: Rey, Ben, Finn, Poe, and Rose. Any OT or PT characters should be there to support their character development, not to steal the spotlight.

Obi Wan has significance to Rey. Anakin has significance to Ben Solo, who would be there in this version. The thought of ending the “Skywalker Saga” without at least Anakin having some importance seems off to me.

Exactly. Everything, and I mean everything, hinges around this character and how he affected the entire galaxy.

“You must unlearn what you have learned.” It wasn’t the story of Anakin until the prequels reframed the saga. The ST has simply reframed the saga again.

This is an accurate statement. All Anakin really needed to do would be to show up as a voice, which he did. Maybe if you included him appearing earlier in the film somewhere (e.g., a vision) using ROTS or Shaw stock footage, then putting him at the end would be justified. It was only “his” story retroactively from about 1999-2015 (quite frankly, Obi-Wan should have been the primary protagonist of the prequels). Now that it has been reframed, there’s no need to treat him like the main character of the saga.

Making a Palpatine cliffhanger in TLJ seems to be a popular idea right now, but to be honest I feel like that would be a distraction to the conclusion of that story.

The one thing I do like about the current placement poppasketti and others are attempting is that it basically has the broadcast go out immediately after the death of Luke Skywalker, which seems to be the reason why Palpatine has once again been pulling the strings in hiding. The primary goal of Snoke and the First Order was to destroy Luke, so his radio broadcast could be like a way to announce his return after the death of his last, great threat. Any reveal before that would feel too soon imo.

But, I feel like it does take away from Kylo Ren’s “ascension” a little bit. Kylo Ren literally just became Supreme Leader and then immediately we realize there is another big bad making his way on stage, never giving Supreme Leader Ren a chance to shine. I do like the general foreshadowing throughout the trilogy though. Maybe I just don’t like the idea of ole Palpatine making a whole radio debut!

That is true! Maybe I’m not crazy about it because I would rather not have the crawl for IX mention him at all, and let his reveal be when Kylo finds him on Exogol. I guess I’d rather push his reveal back than bring it forward. But I think it is fair to test out both ideas though.

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s another ‘Inspired by’ change: https://youtu.be/BD5mLw0A8vI?t=876

He says that Rose should have been in charge of gathering reinforcements for the final battle. So would this be possible? As far as I can remember she is just hanging out at the Resistance base the entire movie, but could it be possible to insert some dialogue to indicate that she is busy calling up leaders of the core worlds and have them Rendzevous in some place? Then Lando could lead these gathered forces to the final fight.

Just watched this video! I had two ideas for this.

1. We could potentially change Rose’s dialogue with Finn to where she could say she needed to contact more worlds to join the cause. This would probably require redubbing. Or some OS dialogue from the later briefing asks about reinforcements, and we cut to Rose and some kind of dialogue ties her to that objective.
2. Could we potentially generate new scenes where Rose either speaks to other worlds through hologram or voice message, maybe? Or if we could imply she is going on a mission for Leia, then we see her board a ship and then that ship travels to different planets during some kind of montage? It is hard to say without having this film burned in my memory.

Geez, the stuff he mentions about Kylo’s arc bothers me. I don’t think TLJ ended necessarily with the implication he was beyond redemption, though. I think RJ left enough room so that the next director could go either way. But if you were going with redemption, I really do feel it would have worked better if his turn came earlier in the film, like the end of Act 1 or beginning of Act 2. Maybe the First Order leaders try to depose him but he survives (thanks to Leia somehow) and he has a come to Jesus moment and meets up with the heroes. Then we could see Ben Solo, not Kylo Ren, interact with Rey, Finn and Poe and have more dialogue beyond “Ow”. But, that’s another story.

I do wonder if dialogue for Kylo could be altered to make it appear his heart is not completely in it even before his redemption moment. I really feel like a flashback scene with young Ben Solo could’ve helped create even more sympathy for his character. Either a scene of him leaving to go to Luke’s temple, or of him being manipulated by Snoke/Palpatine through dreams from a young age. The latter would be great as a reminder to the audience that he has been groomed since childhood to turn to the dark side. It would’ve had a bigger impact on the story than a brief flashback of Luke and Leia training…

I think his FinnPoe thoughts are pretty fair, and it makes me want to remove any blatant indication of other romances for Finn or Poe (with Zorri, Jannah, or even Rose), so it would be still open for interpretation.

Yes, those were my thoughts as well. If we were able to create a new scene with a young Ben Solo, what content do you think would be the most effective for the story?

While talking about 3PO’s role in the film over on Hal’s Ascendent thread, it made me think that it would be great if we could create some kind of 3PO dialogue database. Having a large array of dialogue could be so beneficial for future edits that need 3PO to help deliver certain lines of exposition.

For example, I know Hal is looking for a line where 3PO mentions how he can help negotiate, or something along those lines.

I would like to find a line where 3PO talks about a place looking familiar, and a line where he asks R2 to tell a story.

Something like a database could help make this search so much easier.

Free edit idea (that I’m planning to use):

The sequence where Kylo touches Vader’s helmet, Rey trains, and there’s flashes of various images is just all over the place. To simplify, I’ll cut it down to just the images that relate to Rey, not Kylo to give some focus and imply this is where Kylo learns about Rey’s past. Then move the flashes of Kylo’s past (Han, Luke) to when his mask is being rebuilt, as a way to give some sort of explanation as to why he’s even doing that (his past is still haunting him, the mask is a shield). I’d probably also emphasize the flashes of Rey turning him down, so it’s almost like he can’t stand to face her.

When you say Rey’s past, are you referring to the idea that he finds out Palpatine has her parents (who aren’t related to Palpatine) killed?

RogueLeader said:

When you say Rey’s past, are you referring to the idea that he finds out Palpatine has her parents (who aren’t related to Palpatine) killed?

Yeah exactly (although we wouldn’t necessarily see it happen then, it would just explain how Kylo has that information if Palpatine didn’t tell him anything about Rey).

Gotcha. I think that would work, but I also hope we can figure out a way to remove her parents being killed. If her parents sold her for drinking money, you know they probably would’ve sold her out to save their own skins.

RogueLeader said:

Gotcha. I think that would work, but I also hope we can figure out a way to remove her parents being killed. If her parents sold her for drinking money, you know they probably would’ve sold her out to save their own skins.

I agree, but I don’t know how to solve this without feeling like a lot is missing. As is my plan is just to remove any mentions of them protecting her.

I guess we’ll have a better idea once we can clearly see what we have to work with. Also, you’re kind of stuck with the ship connection unless you change TFA, or imply her seeing that ship was a vision of the future or something.

Hal 9000 said:

I guess they needed her parents to be sympathetic in order to fuel a revenge angle for Rey. But, you’d think the Emperor would be enough of a target that it might work without that.

Either way, I’m not sure if it’s possible to remove Rey Palpatine and Rey Revenge, given the film as is. There has to be something that can make its seem like she might go dark, otherwise half her scenes don’t work.

And just to make sure, because this movie went by too fast… is the chronology supposed to be that her parents went to Jakku and sold her to Unkar Plutt, then left in that ship we saw in TFA, then encountered the hunter, got killed, and then the hunter used their ship to go die on Pasana?

Yes I believe that’s correct.

Why is Kylo ‘talking’ to Darth’s mask if in the scene before he was informed that he never spoke to him? Is it just like, triggering a flashback in Kylo in the same way that the Skywalker Saber started one with Rey?

According to the JP leaks, didn’t the film originally start with the Luke and Leia flashback, and then transition to present day Leia training Rey? If Kylo Ren re-forged their Force bond during her training montage, then it presumably would have taken place before Kylo met Palpatine.

I guess you could say Vader’s helmet and other Force-related objects can concentrate power to achieve more difficult tasks? Or Palpatine helped Kylo re-establish that connection through Vader’s helmet? I’m not really sure, that is a good question.

snooker said:

Why is Kylo ‘talking’ to Darth’s mask if in the scene before he was informed that he never spoke to him? Is it just like, triggering a flashback in Kylo in the same way that the Skywalker Saber started one with Rey?

Honestly I have no idea. The scene as is makes no sense and really only serves to establish that Rey has a vision (which it barely does) and gives flashes to remind you of key moments in the last two films (Han’s death primarily). Clearly a casualty of editing.

RogueLeader said:

According to the JP leaks, didn’t the film originally start with the Luke and Leia flashback, and then transition to present day Leia training Rey? If Kylo Ren re-forged their Force bond during her training montage, then it presumably would have taken place before Kylo met Palpatine.

I guess you could say Vader’s helmet and other Force-related objects can concentrate power to achieve more difficult tasks? Or Palpatine helped Kylo re-establish that connection through Vader’s helmet? I’m not really sure, that is a good question.

That makes as much sense as anything. If Kylo found the wayfinder in Vader’s castle then it’d especially make sense. What I don’t get is why they thought they could ever start the film with a flashback.

Well, they also thought starting TFA with a shot of Luke’s severed hand holding Anakin’s lightsaber drifting in space for a not insignificant amount of time, so…