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OK then not so easy,I must have read it wrong,I thought it was just reversing and that is it.

So which to use,is the English DD 5.1 ac3 file(on the German broadcast) exactly the same as the 04 DVD or is it different?

By the way the Han and Jaba scene is done(Thanks to Ady,CLP and DVD-BOY for the masking assistance).

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What order are you doing the films in DJ?

If it's of any help I can send you rough timings for where the subtitles appear in the other films as I go through them myself.

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TV's Frink said:
budwhite said:
Moth3r said:
dark_jedi said:

... reversing the left and right surround is not difficult at all...

From what I remember, it's only the music in the rear channels that is reversed - the sound effects are correctly positioned. So, in order to fix the issue, you would need to isolate the music from the effects. Not easy.

Sometimes I wonder how people could notice things like this.

 

Seems like the wrong place to wonder this...

 

heh heh

 

Front channels is one thing but the rears, no way I would have noticed.  I do have a cheap 6.1 system though.

 

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What order are you doing the films in DJ?

If it's of any help I can send you rough timings for where the subtitles appear in the other films as I go through them myself.

 

What do you mean timings? I am masking them with AE.

and the order I think I am going to do them in is,ep 4-6,then ep 1-3.

So what audio are we using?

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I meant rough timings as to where all the alien speech occurs to make it quicker to locate which parts need fixing:

00:00:17    00:01:53    Opening Titles to first Scene Change
00:30:21    00:30:32    Watto: Alien Subtitles
00:30:35    00:30:50    Watto: Alien Subtitles
00:33:32    00:33:47    Watto: Alien Subtitles
00:34:47    00:34:51    Alien Subtitles
00:34:55    00:35:15    Alien Subtitles

etc.  You might already have this all worked out, but as I'm going through the films making notes, I figured I might be able to save you some time.

Currently my plan is just a straight 1-6, so that might work out quite nicely.

In terms of audio, the easy part of me says to stick with the English 5.1 muxed into the German Transport Stream.

Adywan is using the Laserdisc Audio for his AVC releases, which would be better mixes, except that A New Hope has been edited for Han shooting Greedo, Empire I think has Clive Revell and the Original Boba Fett, and who knows about Jedi.  Also Phantom Menace is the theatrical cut I believe, while the German Transport stream isn't.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, or have spent too long writing this post ;)

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Yes DVD-BOY now I know what you mean,that would be great if you could copy your notes for me on this placement,it sure would save time,and have it broken down by episode #,thanks for doing this,ESB will be next up for me(yea NO subs LOL) and I to will use the English DD 5.1 on the German version,might as well add the German DD 5.1 and the English DD 2.0 commentary as well.

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Looks like without menu's and such it is going to weigh in at about 20-21 GB's,I have the video encoded it stands at 19 GB's then I have the English Dolby Digital 5.1 and 2.0,as well as the commentary,and chapters are set to the DVD.DAMN I wish I could test this out!

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this is a cool idea..

 

by the way, i've given in to  the dark side (partially),

 

i got a combo blu-ray burner/hd dvd drive...

http://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Technology-Mediastation-Blu-ray-Combo/dp/B0016P130E

it works really well, and didn't cost a whole lot..

 

so yes, i've actually started burning blu-ray discs,

(i buy them in bulk off ebay)

 

and it does take some time..

please keep going with this..

 

be seeing you

+1

[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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START       END            COMMENTS   
00:00:00    00:00:17    Fox and Lucasfilm Logos   
00:00:17    00:01:53    Opening Titles to first Scene Change   
00:30:21    00:30:32    Watto: Alien Subtitles   
00:30:35    00:30:50    Watto: Alien Subtitles   
00:33:32    00:33:47    Watto: Alien Subtitles   
00:34:31    00:34:42    Alien Subtitles   
00:34:47    00:34:51    Alien Subtitles   
00:34:55    00:35:15    Alien Subtitles   
00:44:10    00:44:18    Watto: Alien Subtitles   
00:46:00    00:46:11    Alien Subtitles   
00:51:45    00:51:55    Watto: Alien Subtitles   
00:54:55    00:55:15    Alien Subtitles   
00:55:52    00:56:00    Alien Subtitles   
02:10:33    02:10:42    End of Film - Trim Garbage Mountain Shot!!

I'll do Jedi next before returning to Episode II, III.

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START        END          COMMENTS
00:00:00    00:00:18    Fox and Lucasfilm Logos
00:00:18    00:02:17    Opening Titles to first Scene Change
00:09:33    00:09:53    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:12:10    00:12:21    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:14:02    14:12:00    Alien Subtitles
00:14:15    00:14:56    Alien Subtitles
00:15:20    00:15:43    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:19:33    00:20:22    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:22:36    00:23:48    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:26:46    00:27:05    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:29:23    00:29:35    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:30:46    00:30:53    Jabba: Alien Subtitles
00:31:13    00:31:20    Jabba: Alien Subtitles

I still have the rest of the film from the The Emperor's introduction to do, but I think that is all of the captions?

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Thanks DVD-BOY but currently I am at a stand still,I have no way to test what I have done,it plays on my PC with PowerDVD but that won't tell me if standalone players will play it,I have a movie only version finished right now with the DD 5.1 & 2.0 audio as well as commentary.

The problem is I can't start deleting files I no longer need(to make room for the next movie)until all is good,so that is where I am at now.

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hey dark_jedi I quoted you in the other thread because I wanted to reply to what you were saying about a joint venture, but I was doing it from my phone so I couldn't figure out how to reply, then I accidentally clicked "post."  That was pages ago in the other thread, I just saw I forgot to explain what happened.

I'm definitely in support of this project.  I know how hard it is to do something like this by yourself I hope you're getting all the help you need.  I also hope you're using the wonderful 1997 optical capture off the Special Edition laserdisc for the audio. :)

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I also hope you're using the wonderful 1997 optical capture off the Special Edition laserdisc for the audio. :)

 

I do not have that audio,if I did I would use it,I have the LD's but if I cap it it won't be using optical and it will be 2.0.

also I am not doing anything with it right now,I have no way to test the files I am making,DVD-BOY probably should take up the project and we help him,I am making files I can't even use,so it is probably silly for me to lead this project.

I must admit though,I sure wouldn't mind getting the Pioneer BDR-203,maybe for Christmas.

 

plus I wanted to test out Cinevision and it won't even play or encode my avi file,funny this software can't when everything else can.

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DVD-BOY will probably make his own announcement to but he is now heading this project up,he has the capabilities to burn these discs where as I do not,so we can help him do these up,good luck DVD-BOY.

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As Dark Jedi says, it looks like I will be taking the lead on this one in the UK.

Still working out the best approach to make on these releases - I don't have the skill, or patience to colour correct these releases like Adywan.

It will be one disc per film, as opposed to one trilogy per disc.

Perhaps an initial release will be a BD-25 with just the English 5.1 and Audio Commentary with a later release of something with more extras.  But if I do that, the only thing we'd be gaining is a menu system and probably some (perhaps small) bump in quality over the AVCHD discs.

I am still on the look out for the Empire Magazine commentaries for inclusion.

If anyone has anymore suggestions, please feel free to post them.

I will be back soon with an update.

DVD (Or should that be Blu) BOY.

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OK now I will FINALLY be able to do my own testing,I have a Pioneer BDR-203 on the way.

 

The BDR-203 Blu-ray Disc/DVD/CD Writer is the next generation Blu-ray Disc Writer from Pioneer.

This BD/DVD/CD Writer will write up to 8x on BD-R (25Gbytes) and BD-R DL (50Gbytes) media. Test & author high-definition Blu-ray Disc content while also delivering the ability for high-capacity data storage.  

The BDR-203 can read BD-ROM and BD-ROM DL, read/write single and dual layer BD-R & BD-RE discs, read DVD-ROM, and read/write most DVD and CD recordable media formats.

 

Speeds

  • Writes up to 8x speed on BD-R & BD-R DL and up to 2x on BD-RE & BD-RE DL Blu-ray Disc Media
  • Writes up to 16x speed on DVD-R/+R, up to 8x on DVD-R/+R (DL), up to 8x on DVD+RW, up to 6x on DVD-RW, up to 5x on DVD-RAM, up to 32x on CD-R, and up to 24x on CD-RW
  • Reads up to 8x speed on BD-ROM/BD-ROM DL, BD-R, and BD-RE and up to 6x on BD-R DL and BD-RE DL media
  • Reads up to 16x speed on DVD-ROM, DVD-R/+R, and DVD-Download, up to 12x on DVD-ROM DL, DVD-RW/+RW, and DVD-R/+R (DL), up to 5x on DVD-RAM, up to 40x on CD-ROM, up to 32x on CD-R, and up to 24x on CD-RW media
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Hey DJ,

Sounds like it will do the job nicely - don't think we've ever had any problems with our first generation Pioneer BD-R drive at work, except it didn't do Dual Layer BD... or CDs!!

Have you been following the Doom9 discussion about x264 for BD - I've been doing some tests with Interlaced footage which I think I was getting somewhere with - hopefully I'll get a chance to try with progressive footage this week.

Just trying to sort out a SATA controller card for a couple of 500Gb hard drives, then hopefully I can kick off with my version.

Have you looked at MultiAVCHD author - looks like it does basic blu-ray authoring as well.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744

DVD-BOY

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That multiAVCHD looks kind of interesting,I will have to look inot that.

"Have you been following the Doom9 discussion about x264 for BD"

What do you mean here,what is going on?

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So do you have any updates DVD-BOY? also what x264 discussion are you talking about,do you have a link?

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I'm slowly bringing assets together for mine - have demuxed and started to parse the German TS stream through AVISynth to render out AVIs of the different segments.  There's also the beginnings of a menu being worked up in Photoshop, but at present alot of things are still at the planning stages.

This was the x264 discussion I was talking about:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148826

As you can see for some bizarre reason, I'm having problems muxing my x264 files in Scenarist - "The Island" trailer that Ben Waggoner posted is fine - very strange as both are Lagarith and are fed to MeGUI using the same AVISynth script - perhaps Scenarist hates Episode I as much as some people here :-)

I noticed when I demuxed the German TS Files that the video was at 25fps while it was muxed at 24fps.  In AVISynth I've slowed the footage down with AssumeFPS, but I guess this means I'll also have to slow down the ac3 files which is less than ideal - had a devil's own job doing that with Howard the Duck!!

DVD-BOY

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LOL changing the frame rate and slowing down the audio is the easiest thing about this project,it is the subtitle masking and trying to figure out what damn encoder to use,I would like to give CineVision a shot because it was the only one that played very well on my PS3 and Sony BDP-S350,when I encoded with friggin MeGUI I got a lot of stuttering during playback,did not get any with CineVision at all.

and on a kick ass note,I will have my Pioneer BDP-230 this Thursday and already ordered BD-RE's,and BD-R's,and have a case of Blue Blu-ray cases.

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LOL changing the frame rate and slowing down the audio is the easiest thing about this project,it is the subtitle masking and trying to figure out what damn encoder to use,I would like to give CineVision a shot because it was the only one that played very well on my PS3 and Sony BDP-S350,when I encoded with friggin MeGUI I got a lot of stuttering during playback,did not get any with CineVision at all.

and on a kick ass note,I will have my Pioneer BDP-230 this Thursday and already ordered BD-RE's,and BD-R's,and have a case of Blue Blu-ray cases.

I can see myself reverting to Cinevision - at least I can tweak any issues I come across.

Thanks for reminding me - BD cases! I knew there was something I meant to order.

 

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BOBA FETT'S WIFE said:

How about making the films as close to the originals as possible?. I dont mean trimming every bit of the special editions away but all the pointless stuff like the extra snow creature scenes , Vaders return to his star destroyer , the pointless camera paning around the sand dunes in ROTJ . Is it possible to have the original   ending of Return Of The Jedi ?. Also insert the original Boba Fett's voice and "bring my shuttle " line back. Could something like this be done? .

 

I have no interest in turning this into a full blown major editing project,Adywans Revisited series is for that,but I would not mind doing some simple color correcting,and maybe some easy edits(maybe)I personally like all the SE versions as well as the Original versions,I am NOT a hater on all the changes like most are here.

I am a Star Wars fan of old and new.

That makes two of us.