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Star Wars Prequel Trilogy DTS CD ROMs...(First Post UPDATED 08 DEC 2012) (Released) — Page 2

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Are you able to play it in the 6D without the actual film, or is it totally inaccessible?

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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I have to replace the fuse on the SCSI card but when I asked a projection tech he said that the firmware in my machine would allow the disc to play properly.  We are trying to figure out how exactly we should go about trying to access.  Since I am not as technically minded as some here I am having a bit of difficulty doing it on my own.  Any and all assistance is appreciated.

I've been to other forums but folks who know are either unwilling or unable to respond due to contract agreements...at least that's my guess.  I'm hoping that someone has or knows someone that might be able to help us out with this.

DTS changed the file extension from .AUD to .AUE in 2005, somewhere
around serial number 4700 for 5.1 programs and 65415 for DTS-ES titles.

Revenge of the Sith is 65414 and has .AUE files.  Attack of the Clones
is 65471 and is .AUD files.  AotC will definitely play in your DTS-6D.

Once you get the current timecode firmware chip, your 6D will pay the
newer discs correctly.  See if you can find someone that has a spare
v1.46 timecode firmware chip and you can pop it into your player and
then play all discs.  I had 2 6D units and 3 DTS-6 units all operating
perfectly on the newer software until 2009 when they got de-installed
during the conversion to Digital.

 

 

I gleaned the above info I got from the person who got me the discs....

 

 

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Okay....I want to get this posted for all of you who've downloaded the ISO's and now don't know what to do with them...Forum member CapableMetal has kindly sent me a tutorial to describe what he has done with these files for use. I'm going to post it here as a tied-you-over if you want to try somethings while we await the work borisanddoris and Eldonante are working on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You need the in_APTX.dll plugin for Winamp and Winamp 2.91 (the later versions don't recognise the plugin so cannot work). You then need to configure the output in Winamp from the DirectSound module to the Disk Writer. You then need to load the AUD file you're copying for the reel into the playlist, select mono track mode and just press play (important: only once!).

I had the Disk Writer output the WAV file to the desktop of my old laptop (its running XP, so I used it to ensure i didn't get compatibility errors, but as long as Winamp 2.91 works in later versions of Windows it should all work perfectly) and renamed the file so I knew which part it was (anh_r1_fR.wav, for ANH Reel 1 Front Right, for example) and kept doing it until I had ripped all channels of all reels separately. Then I opened up Sound Forge 10 (although any WAV editor that can handle 5.1 should work; I use Sound Forge and Adobe Audition as I have actually had training as a performance sound engineer for live theatre) and dragged each channel into place.

This is where I realised that the channels output by the AptX plugin were all wrong, I noted the correct mapping for ANH and am guessing for the rest of the trilogy, as they're mastered by the same studio.

This is how I label the channels for the sake of quicker reference: Front Left (fL), Front Right (fR), Center (C), Surround Left (sL), Surround Right (sR) fL = fL fR = sL C = C sL = sR sR = fR The values left of = are what the AptX plugin thinks they are and the right is where the channels actually belong.

When you create a 5.1 file in Sound Forge they are listed in the order of 1=fL, 2=fR, 3=C, 4=LFE, 5=sL, 6=sR, so you just mix them together putting the correct WAV to the correct channel. At this point I copied and pasted the sL and sR into a new 2.0 WAV and performed a low pass filter cutting all frequencies above 80Hz, and performed a channel conversion down to mono.

Then I copied and pasted the mono file to channel 4 (LFE) in the 5.1 file. Next, save all your files to a format that supports 5.1 (WAV's can be saved as 5.1 but can be awkward for compatibility; I saved mine as Sony w64 files but FLAC or any lossless format supported by Audition CS6 would suffice), and open them into an Audition CS6 5.1 mix.

At this point you need a Sync source video saved to a compatible format, like a MOV or uncompressed; Audition seems to hate x264's AVC video and won't open MKV files, so I saved my capture with the Lagarith Lossless RGB codec to AVI, which are BIG files, but if you shrink your video to something like 640x288 it will play nicely and be smaller. Using the 2.0 audio from my laser disc, I slid each reel into place and matched the peaks at the END of each reel, as close to the end that I could find matching waveforms and zoomed in to align them as closely as possible.

I then had to rate-stretch them to the right length so they matched up at the start. I did this for all reels, cropping the end and beginning "beeps" from each one and rendered them under stretch properties as Rendered (High Quality), Polyphonic to preserve pitch.

After many hours of it 'Rendering', you will be able to mixdown to a 5.1, I choose FLAC. I must point out at this point that converting these files to any DTS format would likely be overkill. DTS-HD MA has a large size and will be hundreds of megs larger than a FLAC file. FLAC will happily encode to 16-bit, 44KHz, as the DTS discs seem to be, encoding to normal DTS will slightly compress them again, and encoding to DTS-HD will offer no performance gains. It would probably need to be upsampled to 24-bit, 48KHz (at least), which cannot serve to make it sound better but probably only worse.

I read the Wiki page for theater DTS, and it mentions the 24-bit timecode, which has nothing to do with the actual audio bit-rate (same way video uses the SMPTE time code, which is 80-bits, whereas the video is likely around 10-bits). I'm fairly convinced, due to the age of the discs, that 16-bit 44KHz is their format and it would be best to keep it that way.

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PLZ, read this carefully as it explains something I read & posted about briefly in regards to the Winamp plugin not mapping the channels properly. CapableMetal will be on vacation for a bit so he probably won't be doing any further work until mid October. He has said the he's done versions of ANH & ROTJ from the ISO's he downloaded. Folks are waiting for me to get TESB up....it will be up soon. I will shoot for end of the week. Cheers!!!! :) :)

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AOTC audio ISO's have been uploaded today....

Cheers!!!!

 

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Saw this over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....

91. Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith - $600.00

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I have some awesome news......

I NOW have the PCM audio for Ep. III.  At this point I do not have permission from my partner to go into detail but we've been working in tandem quietly so that this project could happen or fail without too much pressure. 

He gets ALL the credit for the work as he figured it out ..... I just supplied the source material and miscellaneous stuff for him to work with.

Certainly an early X-mas present.

:)

 

 

 

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Video Collector said:

Excellent news! I was beginning to lose hope.

Congratulations.

Thank you.  It was patience and teamwork that won the day.  I cannot wait for it to be used on a Theatrical PT project. 

:)

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That's excellent news! Any word on how/when we can get these files?

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Jetrell Fo said:

I have some awesome news......

I NOW have the PCM audio for Ep. III.  At this point I do not have permission from my partner to go into detail but we've been working in tandem quietly so that this project could happen or fail without too much pressure. 

He gets ALL the credit for the work as he figured it out ..... I just supplied the source material and miscellaneous stuff for him to work with.

Certainly an early X-mas present.

:)

Congratulations! Well done both of you.

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Moth3r said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I have some awesome news......

I NOW have the PCM audio for Ep. III.  At this point I do not have permission from my partner to go into detail but we've been working in tandem quietly so that this project could happen or fail without too much pressure. 

He gets ALL the credit for the work as he figured it out ..... I just supplied the source material and miscellaneous stuff for him to work with.

Certainly an early X-mas present.

:)

Congratulations! Well done both of you.

Thank you all kindly.  And, for a brief explanation of what happened... 

Brute Force was tried and failed. The actual encryption algorithm was found to be weak so figuring out encryption key was easy. A singular .exe program was compiled for the specific discs of audio as each set probably has their own separate encryption key so it's a 1 shot deal.

The lucky part ..... the encryption didn't change throughout the soundtrack, other wise I'd only have a piece of the puzzle.

At this point, I now have PCM audio from the encrypted .aue files. This has been a cool journey but it's not over. We obviously are going to do other testing to see what can be done, if anything, to create something more universal for this subject matter.

Thanks to my partner Maxim in this. He was nothing but cordial, understanding, helpful, and 100% gracious.

The cool thing about this .exe program is that I can use it to convert the .aud files straight to 5 channel PCM so I'm going through the discs I do have and redoing the reels.  They will still have to go through some processing but I'd think this is a better way to go to keep the quality.

Cheers to ALL of us ....... the circle (of DTS audio) is now complete. 

;)

CapableMetal said:

That's excellent news! Any word on how/when we can get these files?

I will make sure that those who'd like access to the audio get it ......  :)

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Jetrell Fo said:

Brute Force was tried and failed. The actual encryption algorithm was found to be weak so figuring out encryption key was easy. A singular .exe program was compiled for the specific discs of audio as each set probably has their own separate encryption key so it's a 1 shot deal.

The lucky part ..... the encryption didn't change throughout the soundtrack, other wise I'd only have a piece of the puzzle.

At this point, I now have PCM audio from the encrypted .aue files. This has been a cool journey but it's not over. We obviously are going to do other testing to see what can be done, if anything, to create something more universal for this subject matter.

Thanks to my partner Maxim in this. He was nothing but cordial, understanding, helpful, and 100% gracious.

The cool thing about this .exe program is that I can use it to convert the .aud files straight to 5 channel PCM so I'm going through the discs I do have and redoing the reels.  They will still have to go through some processing but I'd think this is a better way to go to keep the quality.

Interesting stuff! I read somewhere that the encryption would let you play the first 2 minutes or so with the in_aptx plugin (as you would an AUD) and then you would get garbled noise afterwards. You say the encryption has been cracked with a custom executable, so was achieved without the use of the 6D and ripped straight to PCM? Are these PCM files in the format of a single 5-channel PCM file for each reel? If so, are the channels in the correct places?

Sorry for all the questions, but this is all very impressive and exciting! Very well done to you and your partner!

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CapableMetal said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Brute Force was tried and failed. The actual encryption algorithm was found to be weak so figuring out encryption key was easy. A singular .exe program was compiled for the specific discs of audio as each set probably has their own separate encryption key so it's a 1 shot deal.

The lucky part ..... the encryption didn't change throughout the soundtrack, other wise I'd only have a piece of the puzzle.

At this point, I now have PCM audio from the encrypted .aue files. This has been a cool journey but it's not over. We obviously are going to do other testing to see what can be done, if anything, to create something more universal for this subject matter.

Thanks to my partner Maxim in this. He was nothing but cordial, understanding, helpful, and 100% gracious.

The cool thing about this .exe program is that I can use it to convert the .aud files straight to 5 channel PCM so I'm going through the discs I do have and redoing the reels.  They will still have to go through some processing but I'd think this is a better way to go to keep the quality.

Interesting stuff! I read somewhere that the encryption would let you play the first 2 minutes or so with the in_aptx plugin (as you would an AUD) and then you would get garbled noise afterwards. You say the encryption has been cracked with a custom executable, so was achieved without the use of the 6D and ripped straight to PCM? Are these PCM files in the format of a single 5-channel PCM file for each reel? If so, are the channels in the correct places?

Sorry for all the questions, but this is all very impressive and exciting! Very well done to you and your partner!

ALL the work was done without a DTS Cinema Processor.  All software based.  The executable is actually based on the dts.exe that comes with the discs.  So, as far as I know, the channels are all coordinated as they would be straight from the 6D.  It is a single 5-channel PCM file for each reel.  I re-did all the ones in my collection.  The .aue is a bit different because each has a key for decryption .... the .aud's do not.  I had to redo my Star Trek DTS audio I have as well because I figure this would be better.

When I get the ROTS upload set up I'll send you the link.  You should be able to determine if they're all in the right places but I have no reason to believe otherwise at this point.

Cheers.....and yes, Maxim did an awesome job with all the resources I provided him.  He is the king for sure.

:) 

From MediaInfo ..... I just used 1 reel to check....

Complete name: D:\DTS Specific\Cinema Audio\Star Wars DTS Cinema Audio\Episode III [65414]\WAV\R4T5.WAV


Format                                   : Wave
File size                                : 513 MiB
Duration                                 : 20mn 18s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 3 528 Kbps

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I have no idea what's going on, but wooo!

I love it when a plan come together.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Tyrphanax said:

I have no idea what's going on, but wooo!

I love it when a plan come together.

Thanks, I think ................. LMMFAO

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Hello, I am interested in this.
Why was this topic abandoned for 4 years?

And I’ve loved every pixel of it.
(Clarissa Darling, Clarissa Explains It All)

You’re so right.
(Kylo Ren, Star Wars: The Force Awakens)

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Sorry for the necrobump, but can someone PM me the links to these? I would love to check them out. Thanks in advance!
Edit:
Someone graciously sent me the files and now have them archived!

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I don’t want to open a new thread, so I’m trying it here:

Is someone in the possession of the DTS/AUX tracks or CDs of the first and second trailers from The Phantom Menace? Maybe they are titled Trailer A and Trailer B, but I’m not sure. Because I found a picture from a DTS CD titled ‘Trailer C’,… but don’t know what trailer that could be.