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I'm looking forward to seeing the ST heavily contradict the EU. The stupid completists who continue to say the EU is 110% canon and compatible with the films deserve to have their delusional bubble popped.
No more Jedi from PT era it has to start out with new charectors as Jedi and if there is a wookie in this it can't be chewbacca because didn't he die in the EU saving others and being crushed alive (poor Han).
What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney
Odds are the EU is going to be ignored in the new films. It's simply too much backstory for the non hardcore fan audience to deal with. Therefore, Chewie lives.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the ST heavily contradict the EU. The stupid completists who continue to say the EU is 110% canon and compatible with the films deserve to have their delusional bubble popped.
Who cares about a decade+ old book that has never been relevant to anyone anywhere except a few tens of thousands of hardcore EU fans? Chewie didn't die in the movies. Everything that isn't in a movie is fair game for change.
KilroyMcFadden said:
Chewie didn't die in the movies. Everything that isn't in a movie is fair game for change.
J.J. better not go giving him a medal and messing up adywan's continuity, or I'll be pissed.
Hell, he could make Chewie a girl for all we know so far!
ImperialFighter said:
KilroyMcFadden said:
Chewie didn't die in the movies. Everything that isn't in a movie is fair game for change.
J.J. better not go giving him a medal and messing up adywan's continuity, or I'll be pissed.
Hell, he could make Chewie a girl for all we know so far!
Is Chewie not a girl? Hard to tell through all that fur
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On one hand, it would be a breath of fresh air to dispense with the EU. On the other hand, it would be admitting to the fans that a vast swath of the Star Wars universe simply doesn't exist anymore. I find that to be a less than creative solution. In my opinion, the most important, most sacred duty of writers is to their created universes. If the creators and stewards of a fictional universe treat it with contempt, why should anyone else do otherwise?
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Chewie might have gone bald and wear dentures.
I could see an EU reboot seriously pissing off a lot of fans. Lucasfilm always said the books were canon, even if they were a lower level of canon. There've been serious shakeups to the continuity, but Lucasfilm has always been able to retcon it away.
If Chewie being in the movie is that damned important to everyone, the only way I see it working is by setting the movie (hell, the whole ST) prior to the events of the NJO. They could probably pull it off, with the help of some digital de-aging on the big three.
What I would much rather prefer they do is simply set the movie whenever they are now in the books.
Why on Earth should the script be chained down to twenty years worth of novels? Believe it or not, there are casual fans who have never read them, and average moviegoers who just like the original films. Disney would like them to buy a ticket. Having to explain why Chewie's not around is going to be a distraction and a downer.
Saying the novels were canon when there weren't going to be any new movies might have made sense at the time, but it's just going to cause problems now.
Isn't there already a minor continuity issue with where the Clone Wars micro series fits in with the CGI show?
You don't have this issue with Trek. The shows and the movies are continuity king.
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For Disney: Pleasing the larger audience who hasn't read EU books by making an original story with ties to only the films > displeasing the smaller audience who has read the EU books and who will see the movie no matter what.
It makes sense for them, and it makes sense for me. I've always enjoyed reading up on EU history, but I've never taken it as fact. When I'm watching the movies I only think about what the movies show as canon. I'd much prefer a sequel trilogy with no constraints whatsoever than one with. We already had a trilogy that was trapped in terms of story and originality. It'll be fantastic to have some truly NEW Star Wars movies. That's what I'm most excited for.
Well if Disney decides to still have a story take place with the EU then they should make a story about Chewbacca being resurrected like in Star Trek III The Search For Spock.
What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney
God no. No resurrections. Chewie is alive to all but a handful of hardcore EU'ers. They'll get over it. We other several million people for whom Star Wars includes Chewie (of course) should, and I believe, _will_ take precedent in Disney's eyes.
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I don't care too much about EU books and some of them should most definitely be ignored (like Dark Empire for example). But on the other hand, I couldn't care less if Chewie is not in the new films.
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DominicCobb said:
It'll be fantastic to have some truly NEW Star Wars movies. That's what I'm most excited for.
Bingo.
As someone who fully lives in the Personal Canon universe; An interesting, adult, cerebral film is all I'm interested in. The last five films are of no interest to me, so one more isn't something I'm going to lose sleep over. If it's as good as Star Trek09, great. If it isn't, it's just one more of six.
Zahn is my Star Wars universe. Not Lucas, not Continuity, not the kids who will buy the vulgar amount of merchandising tie-ins, and sure as hell not the PT and it's twirling cartoon light sabers or high school level script reading.
If this weren't an Abrams-helmed, non-Lucas film, I wouldn't be giving it a moment of thought.
Some of us were those kids buying vulgar amounts of SW merchandise back in the day. I think once you bought enough Kenner product, and sent in those proof of purchase seals, they issued you stock in the company. ;)
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imperialscum said:
I don't care too much about EU books and some of them should most definitely be ignored (like Dark Empire for example). But on the other hand, I couldn't care less if Chewie is not in the new films.
+1
They can (and should) "ignore" what's happened in the EU over the 40 or so in-universe years since RotJ. By this I mean they don't need to bring any of it up. If they came up with a good story with original characters and make it in the spirit of the original '77 film, it's doable. In that film we were seeing this universe through the eyes of the characters, discovering it as they did (something Abrams took to heart in Trek '09). Have Chewie's kid(s) take over his role. Boom, problem solved. I, for one, wouldn't mind a passing line ala Indy looking at a photo of his dad in Crystal Skull. I really don't see why Chewbacca himself simply must be in the movie.
But what I don't want them to do is suddenly "pretend it never happened" (i.e. a hard reboot of the EU), unless they pull a TCW and sandwich the entire ST somewhere into the years before Vector Prime. I wouldn't want them to do either of these things (reboot or sandwiching), but then again I honestly don't see them doing it anyway.
In response to SilverWook's question, it was TCW (the cgi series) that threw a big huge wrench into the continuity works of the entire existing clone wars canon at the time. This was, I believe, the first time LFL's "different levels of canonicity" excuse was used so blatantly, although I could be wrong.
imperialscum said:
Technically, Coruscant was there before PT.
Well I don't mind seeing some stuff introduced in the prequels (planets, double-bladed lightsabre etc.) but I don't want to see crap like "midichlorians" or "chosen one" and certainly don't want to see any characters from the prequels (for example using Hayden as Anakin's ghost is the stupidest thing I can think of atm).
No one in the ST timeframe should know any more about midichlorians or anything else that's only in the PT than they did in the OT. Luke is the last Jedi after RotJ- where is he going to pick up terms like 'padawan' or 'younglings' if they weren't used around him when he went through his training?
Fang Zei said:
They can (and should) "ignore" what's happened in the EU over the 40 or so in-universe years since RotJ. By this I mean they don't need to bring any of it up.
I think this is best. A good writer can work within this space and not outright contradict the EU while not making a lot of references to it either.
I assume that in the history of the Cinematic Marvel universe that the American Desert Storm events still happened... but I don't think it's ever come up. Still- nothing has occured in the films that would contradict it having happened.
Everyone said:
Chewie is dead in the EU.
This is the biggest problem as far as I can tell. However, Mr. Baca is sort of a problem no matter how you slice it. Let's assume that in the new continuity that Han and Leia did in fact get married (after he lost her to Space Fabio, kidnapped her, gave her a planet, told her that he was a king, and... ) and had kids. They're all settled down, and perhaps grandparents by the time the ST rolls around.
So... Han's roommate from his bachelor years is still hanging around? Doesn't he have his own wife and kids (grandkids)? I mean, it's cool that he and Han are awesome smuggling partners when they're young... but Han gets to settle down and Chewie doesn't?
That and Leia definitely makes Han sell the Falcon after they get married. She doesn't say anything about it right away, but she keeps pointing out how often it breaks down and how costly the repairs are, and oh! aren't those new family cruisers so nice! and Lando bought a new ship, let's go see it, and... well... it's what happened to me anyways.
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Anchorhead said:
DominicCobb said:
It'll be fantastic to have some truly NEW Star Wars movies. That's what I'm most excited for.
Bingo.
As someone who fully lives in the Personal Canon universe; An interesting, adult, cerebral film is all I'm interested in. The last five films are of no interest to me, so one more isn't something I'm going to lose sleep over. If it's as good as Star Trek09, great. If it isn't, it's just one more of six.
Zahn is my Star Wars universe. Not Lucas, not Continuity, not the kids who will buy the vulgar amount of merchandising tie-ins, and sure as hell not the PT and it's twirling cartoon light sabers or high school level script reading.
If this weren't an Abrams-helmed, non-Lucas film, I wouldn't be giving it a moment of thought.
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Bingowings said:
Anchorhead said:
DominicCobb said:
It'll be fantastic to have some truly NEW Star Wars movies. That's what I'm most excited for.
Bingo.
As someone who fully lives in the Personal Canon universe; An interesting, adult, cerebral film is all I'm interested in. The last five films are of no interest to me, so one more isn't something I'm going to lose sleep over. If it's as good as Star Trek09, great. If it isn't, it's just one more of six.
Zahn is my Star Wars universe. Not Lucas, not Continuity, not the kids who will buy the vulgar amount of merchandising tie-ins, and sure as hell not the PT and it's twirling cartoon light sabers or high school level script reading.
If this weren't an Abrams-helmed, non-Lucas film, I wouldn't be giving it a moment of thought.
It's nice to get a personal open letter from you.
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NeverarGreat said:
On one hand, it would be a breath of fresh air to dispense with the EU. On the other hand, it would be admitting to the fans that a vast swath of the Star Wars universe simply doesn't exist anymore. I find that to be a less than creative solution. In my opinion, the most important, most sacred duty of writers is to their created universes. If the creators and stewards of a fictional universe treat it with contempt, why should anyone else do otherwise?
Fang Zei said:
I could see an EU reboot seriously pissing off a lot of fans. Lucasfilm always said the books were canon, even if they were a lower level of canon.
There've been serious shakeups to the continuity, but Lucasfilm has always been able to retcon it away.
What I would much rather prefer they do is simply set the movie whenever they are now in the books.
Well the marvel Star Wars comics are really just a blur now but what if some of the continuity in these new movies could be based after the events in those comics from 1977 to 1985.
What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney
^That's actually a cool idea. I don't know about the ST, but maybe the spin-offs or a TV show. "The Adventures of Jaxxon Across the Galaxy Far, Far Away." I'd watch that.
imperialscum said:
I don't care too much about EU books and some of them should most definitely be ignored (like Dark Empire for example). But on the other hand, I couldn't care less if Chewie is not in the new films.
Where were you in '77?