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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 139

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RicOlie_2 said:

I don't get what everyone has against 3D animation.

I don't have anything against it, I just don't like the monopoly it has over the animation medium. There's a place for both styles -- one doesn't have to be pushed out in favour of the other.

I dislike almost all 2D animation myself.

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The problem with CGI is it's all starting to look the same. Could you tell Disney from Pixar at this point, without the logo at the beginning? Ironically, The Clone Wars carved out a unique style, and got criticized for it.

Television seems to be the only place 2D is thriving.

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RicOlie_2 said:

I dislike almost all of the first 9 decades of animation.

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The problem I have with CGI animation is that it's quick, cheap and easy. So filmmaking being a business means that all films are CGI. I prefer the 2D look but I like 3D animation too, I'd just like to see it used less. More variety I say.

VIZ TOP TIPS! - PARENTS. Impress your children by showing them a floppy disk and telling them it’s a 3D model of a save icon.

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Not sure the cheap and easy applies to feature films. Pixar and Dreamworks employ small armies, and the budgets often rival live action projects. And it still takes a few years to actually make one.

http://www.businessinsider.com/which-pixar-films-made-the-most-money-2012-6?op=1

There are CGI animated movies that have been done cheap, (and sometimes nasty looking) but not by the big boys.

Has any budget for VII been mentioned or speculated at yet?

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SilverWook said:

Has any budget for VII been mentioned or speculated at yet?

Supposedly it's $200 million, but I don't think it's been confirmed, yet.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

RicOlie_2 said:

I dislike almost all of the first 9 decades of animation.

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The problem I have with CGI animation is that it's quick, cheap and easy. So filmmaking being a business means that all films are CGI. I prefer the 2D look but I like 3D animation too, I'd just like to see it used less. More variety I say.

 I long for the high budget lovingly made and crafter cartoons of my youth.

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One of those images is broken, Boost.

There is good and bad animation in any medium. I liked how that short on The Incredibles poked fun at Clutch Cargo's Syncro-Vox style.

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Spinner and Paddlefoot!!!  Never missed an episode when I was a kid.  Had no idea at the time that it had been done 15 years earlier.

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My local UHF station dug up Space Angel in the wake of Star Wars. It aired back to back with Battle of the Planets and Star Blazers, and those superimposed real mouths still haunt my dreams!

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On the CGI aspect it really is sad how much better even Frozen looks in hand drawn animation.

I think it really just depends on how they use the medium, and if they are using it to its full advantages.

For example, Tangled and Frozen could both easily be hand drawn, and they'd probably be better that way, because story-wise they don't rely too much on the CGI advantages.

On the other hand, Wreck-It-Ralph, the Despicable Me movies, and the How To Train Your Dragon movies use many aspects of CGI that are unique to that type of animation in ways that really involve the characters and drive the plot.  I couldn't imagine them being as good if they were 2D-style.

There might even be stuff that is 2D that would benefit from the 3D more so and would help the story.  For example, as cool as 2D SW Rebels may be, I just think the 3D would work better because you aren't so limited.  Just compare the action between Clone Wars and The Clone Wars. No matter your opinion on the overall shows, I find it hard to argue that the first 2D series has more engaging action sequences than the 3D series.  It simply makes sense.

See, what I think the problem really is the idea that people in the movie business have gotten a tad too attached to the newer 3D CGI technology.

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Just to backtrack a bit to poorly animated 2D cartoons ...

I prefer the '60s Spider-Man cartoon, myself.

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TV's Frink said:

TheBoost said:

 Goodbye, sleep.

 LOL!

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emanswfan said:

I find it hard to argue that the first 2D series has more engaging action sequences than the 3D series.

I would argue this up and down. Clone Wars made me feel like there was actually a war going on, unlike the movies or later series.

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doubleKO said:

emanswfan said:

I find it hard to argue that the first 2D series has more engaging action sequences than the 3D series.

I would argue this up and down. Clone Wars made me feel like there was actually a war going on, unlike the movies or later series.

 I am referencing the actual visuals themselves not the overall organization and execution of the sequences.  I am saying that if Clone Wars was CGI but the same overall, I think the action would be more engaging, as the visuals get a bit too overloaded for the 2D animation.

The idea that an actual war is going on had more to do with the execution and writing of the action scenes.

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SilverWook said:

Not sure the cheap and easy applies...

 I should clarify that I meant like-for-like. You get "more" for your money with CGI animation in terms of scale and you can turn it over quicker... it's "the quick and easy path". If you wanted to handraw an epic film on the scale of what CGI can achieve, then you're gonna be growing old before it's done. But oh my goodness would it be beautiful.

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This film will have more CGI than any other film you have seen previously. weather it looks real or not is another matter but don't get your hopes up on seeing an all practical effects romp it just won't happen.

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This film will have more CGI than any other film you have seen previously. weather it looks real or not is another matter but don't get your hopes up on seeing an all practical effects romp it just won't happen.

 I highly doubt more CGI than ROTS.  I really hope they go somewhere between the OT and TPM in terms of how much, but I'm guessing it will be a little more than what TPM used, which was a bearable amount (though not bearable quality back then).

In terms of the realism, I feel that the less CGI you have, the more time and money you have to spend on that CGI to make it more real, without having to sacrifice the quality of the CGI in certain shots.  The Hobbit movies are a good example of this.  There are quite a number of scenes that are completely mindblowing when you discover what they did in terms of the CGI/Digital Compositing.  But with the same time they spent on those scenes, it meant not enough time on other shots resulting in bad cgi, which is prevalent in Hobbit too, especially DOS more so.

Speaking of TH, I have no problem with Andy Serkis as a motion capture character as long as it looks just as good as Hobbit Gollumn.  You can't tell he's CGI, except for the fact that you know he is CGI.  I'll be glad to see that level of mastery in the new SW.

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J.J.'s approach seems to be about using the right type of effect for what a scene requires. CGI is just one item in the toolbox.

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Well it looks like Bond 24 will release the exact same month as Star Wars Episode VII The Rise Of Darth Binks as I will spoof it until the official title is confirmed. Anyways they are my two favourite franchises and yeah they may not really be competing since Moonraker already tried that I like seeing these two movies back to back.

What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney

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Octopussy came out two weeks after Return of the Jedi, so this has happened before.

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I have seen that puppet walking behind JJ and when I see a statement like this that it will be a balanced approach although I would hope there is an emphasis on practical effects, I have seen these hyped up campaigns before to grab peoples interest. I have been lied to, duped and sold on too many false promises to even bother getting hyped up about this sort of stuff until a movie is released and listen to what people say about it.

I won't even bother keeping my fingers crossed, if JJ has the tenacity to push for a good balance of practical and digital then so be it. I will wait for the result before deciding to buy into some promotional interest grabber until dinner is served.

I won't get fooled again by this promo rubbish.. That puppet thing will probably be in the movie for like 10 seconds and be a background character that has no lines. Sorry to come across as like this but this is what Hollywood made me.

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