The final in the series Another happy sanding and I must say that you fixed the audio glitch when C-3PO is given of to Antilles by knowing that cleaning the droids. Another one of the scenes I found interesting was anakin’s fate based on how he lost the duel against Obi-wan kenobi. Overall Good Work
So I know I just released this edit, but I’m already thinking about the possibility of more changes. Quick question: Does anyone feel the second seeds of rebellion scene really adds anything? It’s really unclear whether the Jedi she’s talking about is Anakin or Obi-Wan, and I think the first and third scene would work just fine without the middle one. I’m just trying to find moments where I can speed up the flow of the edit. Any feedback?
So I know I just released this edit, but I’m already thinking about the possibility of more changes. Quick question: Does anyone feel the second seeds of rebellion scene really adds anything? It’s really unclear whether the Jedi she’s talking about is Anakin or Obi-Wan, and I think the first and third scene would work just fine without the middle one. I’m just trying to find moments where I can speed up the flow of the edit. Any feedback?
I think that is the point we don’t know who she is talking about at that moment, i think it gives a little more credibility to Anakin line you are with him before he choke her out on Mustafar. Yes he is completely gone at that moment, but she was talking to Obi Wan behind his back still. ( and multiple times in the script, the Obi Wan came by this morning that anakin sense in the Force was actually filmed but never release as a deleted scene.)
I really like all of the seeds of the rebellion scenes, and I think they fit nicely into your edit. I like the ambiguity that arises out of whether Padme means to reach out to Anakin or Obi Wan. I also like these scenes because they give Padme more to do, whereas in the theatrical cut, she’s reduced to a mere plot device.
I think your cut is really good. I think the pacing of the theatrical cut is already pretty good, so I personally don’t really think it needs to be sped up. The only exceptions are that the opening and the ending are a bit overlong. I think you have already done a fine job of tightening up the opening, but I suppose if something had to be sacrificed, I’d go after the ending. The stuff with Yoda communicating with Qui Gon and going to Dagobah seems extraneous.
But really, the edit is already very good.
I think the Qui Gon stuff is pretty necessary in a edit, at least for me. In the original Yoda’s line at the end feels so written in at the last minute to explain a plot hole and the extra dialogue at least gives it a bit more justification. That being said if you want to trim things the first thing I would take out would be Yoda arriving on Dagobah, I think the ending is paced better without it and it feels unnecessary to focus on. I’ll try to watch through the edit in the next couple days to see if any thing else feels unnecessary as I don’t think cutting the second seeds of rebellion scene should be the first thing to go.
Honestly, I don’t really have problems with the ending as is. On rewatch, the scenes that stuck out to me as dragging things down are the scene where Anakin tells Padme about his dream on the balcony (I kind of agree with Hal that it’s better if Anakin doesn’t share this info with Padme, but I kept it due to wanting to preserve the later apartment scene between the two of them) and the second seeds of the rebellion scene, as it kind of feels like it’s spinning wheels. It’s hard for me to get the idea as a viewer that she might be talking about Obi-Wan because at this point in the movie, they literally haven’t shared a single scene together. I wish the deleted scene between the two of them in Padme’s apartment surfaced, as that really feels like the missing link.
So I’ve decided not to make any additional cuts, but I did fix a small audio issue where a removed line could be heard faintly in the surround channels. I also removed a reference to Grievous being a “coward” since I just watched the Clone Wars microseries, and while there’s no bridging those two versions of the character, that line in particular bugged me. I’m exporting the new version right now and should have it available soon in the usual channels.
Hi there, would it be possible to get a link to this edit? This sounds like EXACTLY what I’m looking for!!
Hi Octorox!! I was wondering if I could get a link to your edit of revenge of the sith. I’m showing my fiancé star wars for the first time, and I really want to show her a cut of ROTS that lines up better with anakin’s clone wars characterization. Would love to check out your version and see if it’s what I’m looking for! It honestly looks absolutely perfect based on the change list. Anyway, hope to hear from you soon! Thank you so so so much!
I’d love to see if it’s available. Thanks in advance.
Hey, send me a PM and I’ll send you a link.
I’d like to give it a look too if you can send a link.
Thanks!
Hey all, in light of watching Hal’s latest “alternate ending” cut of Labyrinth of Evil, and really digging the scene order and general structure, I’m thinking about reworking this edit. Does anyone have any wishes or ideas in mind for an Episode III edit that haven’t been realized?
I mean, there’s the idea that Anakin didn’t go to the Jedi Temple at the end and Obi-wan made up his Youngling killing to get Padme to lead him to Anakin…but that’s probably a bigger change than you were thinking about 😉
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I mean, there’s the idea that Anakin didn’t go to the Jedi Temple at the end and Obi-wan made up his Youngling killing to get Padme to lead him to Anakin…but that’s probably a bigger change than you were thinking about 😉
Yeah, that’s an interesting idea but probably beyond the scope of this edit.
The big change that I’m considering for V2 is adopting Hal’s decision to have Anakin keep his premonitions from Padme. I’ll also likely move the opera scene up where Hal did in his “Alternate ending” edit to facilitate that.
I’m also going to be reverting some edits I made in V1 that I don’t think quite work. For example bits of audio I borrowed from the New Canon Cut that stick out a bit. I want to brainstorm some other ideas to make revisiting this worthwhile though, as it’s starting to border on “Labyrinth of Evil with a couple minor changes”.
Not that you need me to say so, but use any and everything you want from LOE. I’d love nothing more than to say “hey if you want Padme dead look at octorox.”
Octorox,
I am not entirely sure what to say here because the link to your cut list is not working for me. I do not want to vex you with recommendations that you have already incorporated. So here are some possibilities that may or may not work with what you are looking for.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Li9FA3I5zqw
I am not sure if you would also include the deleted scene as upscaled by Bobson Dugnutt where Grievous assassinates Shaak Ti as well.
After becoming enamored with the pacing of Hal’s edit, I started to feel like there might be a bit too much padding in my edit. I wanted to upload a few clips of scenes that may be extraneous to get feedback/opinions on, as follows.
1.) The Anakin/Padme balcony scene. I’m not sure if this scene really adds a whole lot. Labyrinth of Evil cuts it completely, going straight from the Sidious hologram conversation to Anakin’s nightmare, and it works quite well, creating a more direct implication that Sidious is perhaps planting the dream in Anakin through the force.
Here is how it stands in V1 of the edit:
https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZg30WZsYP4tfwKRikQijVICHJsN46PXdqV
My original rationale for including the scene was that it might be more effective to show Anakin and Padme happy and planning their potential future together before it’s all taken away. What do you all think?
2.) In V1, I also included a truncated version of Mace, Yoda, and Obi-Wan’s conversation before Anakin is denied the rank of master. I edited it down to avoid conflicting with the later wartable scene. However, I’m not sure if the scene adds enough in it’s current state to be worth including:
Here is how it looks in V1:
https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZx30WZioGzK8VYnT8V5x08tVMKeh94pQBy
3.) One of the more unique features of V1 was this sequence, going from Anakin’s 2nd nightmare -> The 3rd seeds of the rebellion scene -> The scene in Padme’s apartment. However, If I’m removing Anakin telling Padme about his nightmares, I’m not sure if the remainder of the apartment scene really works on its own. What do you think?
Here’s how it could look in V2 if I kept this scene:
https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZC30WZxwPVKeGnUjySKMwTUrAyTfMoFIAX
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Octorox,
I am not entirely sure what to say here because the link to your cut list is not working for me. I do not want to vex you with recommendations that you have already incorporated. So here are some possibilities that may or may not work with what you are looking for.
- If you want a much darker ending, you could incorporate some of the Vader lines similar to this clip where he indicates Padme “means nothing.” The musical score needs to be restored and some words can be trimmed out.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Li9FA3I5zqw
- I have always felt that as much of Grievous coughing as possible should be removed. It makes him too much of a sideshow. I would also suggest removing Windu labeling Grievous a coward who hides when talking to Palpatine. This helps make Grievous a more serious villain.
I am not sure if you would also include the deleted scene as upscaled by Bobson Dugnutt where Grievous assassinates Shaak Ti as well.
- Remove Windu labeling Anakin as “young” during the Jedi council scene. Likewise, remove Windu’s later line calling him a boy on the gunship while talking with Yoda. If my understanding is correct, you incorporated elements from the New Canon Cut where Anakin is referred to as a general. A general should not be referred to as ‘young’ nor a ‘boy.’
Apologies for the cutlist link being done. I actually lost the file when I switched away from Google Drive. When V2 happens I will create a new cutlist.
Out of all the ideas you mentioned, the only one I’ve implemented is cutting Mace Windu referring to Grievous as a coward. The others are interesting, I’ll give them a think.
I am a huge fan of your episode 3, but I do believe it could still benefit from a slightly more “sanded down” version. I’m looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Since you’re asking, I always thought the end (after Obi Wan defeats Anakin) of your V1 dragged a bit and could be further edited down. I will always maintain that your prequel edits are the best out there.
A Random idea, I wonder if it would be possible to use AI voice cloning to have Padme more explicitly identify Obi-Wan as the jedi she’s talking about in the second seeds of the rebellion scene. I think this might help sell the idea that she has a professional relationship/level of trust with Obi-Wan that Anakin is suspicious of.
Anyway, definite V2 changes so far:
-Trimmed out Obi-Wan’s “let them pass between us” in the opening space battle.
-Added back Anakin’s “I’m not leaving without you master!” when Obi-Wan’s ship is being swarmed by the buzz droids,
-Cut the scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan vs. the battle droids in the elevator and the accompanying “Roger Roger” joke
-Cut Palpatine telling Anakin to leave Obi-Wan behind on the Invisible Hand.
-Cut down the preamble to the Yoda/Emperor fight to match what L8wrtr did.
-Cut Anakin and Obi-Wan’s dialogue on the floating platforms/robots by borrowing some audio from Spence
I am a huge fan of your episode 3, but I do believe it could still benefit from a slightly more “sanded down” version. I’m looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Since you’re asking, I always thought the end (after Obi Wan defeats Anakin) of your V1 dragged a bit and could be further edited down. I will always maintain that your prequel edits are the best out there.
I can see that, but to be honest I’m not sure what I would want to cut. Do you have any suggestions?
A Random idea, I wonder if it would be possible to use AI voice cloning to have Padme more explicitly identify Obi-Wan as the jedi she’s talking about in the second seeds of the rebellion scene. I think this might help sell the idea that she has a professional relationship/level of trust with Obi-Wan that Anakin is suspicious of.
that would be great. I always thought the “Obi-Wan’s been here?” scene could be placed right after that scene to further the implication.
A Random idea, I wonder if it would be possible to use AI voice cloning to have Padme more explicitly identify Obi-Wan as the jedi she’s talking about in the second seeds of the rebellion scene. I think this might help sell the idea that she has a professional relationship/level of trust with Obi-Wan that Anakin is suspicious of.
I was able to figure out elevenlabs and took a stab at this.
I’ve done a little more tweaking since this, pitched it down a smidge, but this gets the idea across.
EDIT 2: Okay I generated a few more and played around with it, I think this works much better: https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZSmt1Z52NBGTpLywBESvXhPwogHH1kUyc7
So I’m seriously considering removing the scene where Anakin tells Padme about his dream and reordering things closer to the “alternative ending” version of Labyrinth of Evil, e.g. Anakin wakes up from his nightmare and goes immediately to Palpatine. Then he talks to Yoda after hearing the story about Darth Plagueis. I’m just worried that it might be too big a departure from the original version of this edit. Thoughts?