Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released) — Page 22

Octorox said:

This is probably not the right place for this comment, but one thing I’d love to see someone attempt in an edit of Attack of The Clones is cleaning up and reinserting this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX5Na9gcDz0. It’s SO rough though, I’m not sure even an effects whiz could do it convincingly.

There is a trend in the PT that deleted stuff is often better than the scenes kept in the final product… let’s hope at some point in a near future Disney releases all of that material in better shape !

That’s being said, I’ve been thinking about the most interesting scene in the movie - as part of the main narrative of the PT - which sets the first stone on Anakin’s path to the dark side: the sand people slaughtering sequence. It’s an important sequence which shouln’t have been cut like Lucas did with the Yoda scene “feeling” Anakin’s anger/distress. How the scene is handled in v4.2 is pretty much as good as it can be, but I’m wondering if it would be better to cut to a complete black screen for a few seconds before going back to Obi-Wan, in order to emphasize this momentum. It would also allow to keep more of the sound of the massacre (minus the weird “Anakin ! Nooooooooo”… maybe find a Qui-Gon Jinn voice over replacement from TCW/CW tvseries… I’ll check that) and, why not, the Darth Vader theme variation as heard during the - cut in this edit - confession to Padmé scene. Again, I believe the slow motion effect experimented on TFA:R might also help to smoother the transition shot from Anakin’s face to a complete black out screen.

What do you think of the idea ?

Hal 9000 said:

The balcony scene isn’t looking too good. It doesn’t work to be placed between Grievous speaking with Palpatine and the nightmare, because Anakin and Padme already should have a rift between them by this point. Which means the only place it can really go in this edit is right after they have their conversation about her being pregnant. However, the transition into the scene is a little awkward since we transition from them to them. And the transition out of the scene is very awkward since there’s no nightmare to dramatically fade/octopus-wipe to.
If it weren’t for the necessary restructuring to meet LOE’s goals, and the basic structure were intact, I would agree with you guys about including it.

That being said, it seems I could at least borrow some of their chuckling to include over another scene, ala NFBisms. What do you guys say to including the necklace scene in Episode I, knowing full well that it never shows up again? (Anyone want to try rotoscoping it around Portman’s neck in the Boleyn footage?)

Here’s the balcony scene to prove I’m not making things up:
https://vimeo.com/250727175
password: jump

To be fair, the payoff of the necklace in the microseries would make it worth it for me. It’s also nice to show that Anakin has some sort of crush on her, which is totally believable.

I wouldn’t mind including the necklace scene in I. It’s a nice moment between the two, even if it doesn’t pay off in your edits, and it helps a bit if someone wants to use, say, your I and someone else’s III that includes the funeral and/or balcony scenes.

Hal 9000 said:
Here’s the balcony scene to prove I’m not making things up:
https://vimeo.com/250727175
password: jump

I don’t think it looks odd or bad, and it also allows to show the passing of time during EpIII with several nighttime scenes. Personally I don’t really mind that we go from Anakin/Padmé to them again since the mood, location and timeframe are built logically (which makes sense since it’s how it’s cut in the theatrical version minus the Grievous scene). I understand the reasons you won’t use it but right now I just feel it could work and not be that jarring (less jarring at least than the fact we don’t really see the both of them happy otherwise). Tough choice…

I also agree that after Grievous talks with Sidious it would’nt be wise with the previous Anakin/Padmé scene.

I’m thinking about another spot to place the scene: between Anakin assignment and the plot to destroy the Jedi scene:

• morning scene: Obi-Wan informs Anakin he has a meeting with Palpy
• afternoon: meeting with Palpy: Anakin gets a new assignment
• night scene: Anakin and Padmé small talk 'cause they are happy right now (Anakin has now many things to be glad about: a beautiful wife, the coming birth of his child, he’s going to enter the Jedi Council with the blessing of his friend the Chancellor… and he’s got an awesome apartment downtown: the guy is happy to say the least) (it would even be better to make a twilight/night transition like the one seen in Episode I)
• dawn scene (plot to destroy the Jedi);
• the rest goes during day time of the same day (rebellion scene at noon; gunner scene/Anakin and Padmé political scene at twilight; Anakin has the nightmare and meets Palpy at the Opera during the night).

This very slight restructure would also allow to take a breath during the chess game between Palpy and the Jedi Council which is (due to Lucas way of making this movie) sometimes too “operatic” and “functional” and which seems to go very fast within the very same day (that way it would seem it takes 2 days).

Bad idea ? Very bad idea ? Terrible idea ?😃

One option with the balcony scene could be to fade to black for a few seconds and keep the soundtrack? That way you could exit the scene with the original wipe transition. Though I understand cutting it, and the structure of your edit was fine with it removed.

MalàStrana said:
I’m thinking about another spot to place the scene: between Anakin assignment and the plot to destroy the Jedi scene:

• morning scene: Obi-Wan informs Anakin he has a meeting with Palpy
• afternoon: meeting with Palpy: Anakin gets a new assignment
• night scene: Anakin and Padmé small talk 'cause they are happy right now (Anakin has now many things to be glad about: a beautiful wife, the coming birth of his child, he’s going to enter the Jedi Council with the blessing of his friend the Chancellor… and he’s got an awesome apartment downtown: the guy is happy to say the least) (it would even be better to make a twilight/night transition like the one seen in Episode I)
• dawn scene (plot to destroy the Jedi);
• the rest goes during day time of the same day (rebellion scene at noon; gunner scene/Anakin and Padmé political scene at twilight; Anakin has the nightmare and meets Palpy at the Opera during the night).

This very slight restructure would also allow to take a breath during the chess game between Palpy and the Jedi Council which is (due to Lucas way of making this movie) sometimes too “operatic” and “functional” and which seems to go very fast within the very same day (that way it would seem it takes 2 days).

Well, thinking again about it and… I’m slightly wrong about that. Here is the best version I can think of:

Day One:

• morning scene: Obi-Wan informs Anakin he has a meeting with Palpy
• afternoon: meeting with Palpy: Anakin gets a new assignment
• twilight: Yoda, Obi and Mace: “plot to destroy the Jedi” deleted scene
• night: balcony scene: Anakin and Padmé small talk to be inserted here (they don’t talk about Anakin being appointed Palpy’s representative because it’s something Anakin keeps for himself like he does for other things - the slaughtering of the sand people, his nightmares about Padmé - in Hal’s PT).

Day Two:

• dawn: Anakin is apppointed to the Jedi council but he’s not a master yet
• later the same morning (around noon/afternoon): deleted scene with Padmé and cie
• noon/afternoon (or middle day, hard to say): Anakin and Obi talk about spying on Palpy
• afternoon: Gunner sequence scene (“I don’t trust him”)
• twilight: Anakin and Padmé political fight
• night: Anakin has the nightmare and meets Palpy at the Opera

I think it would be perfect for the pacing and the clarity of the passing of time in EpIII to have the balcony scene between the “plot to destriy the Jedi” deleted scene and Anakin at the Jedi Council, otherwise in your edit it seems that all of that happens in one big day (there is the mention of “this morning” in the rebellion deleted scene though). You also get a little moment of nice and naive happy interaction between Anakin and Padmé before it begins to fall apart with the Jedi Council scene.

Your thoughts ?

Imhotep said:

One option with the balcony scene could be to fade to black for a few seconds and keep the soundtrack?

Yeah but this is not the issue mentioned by Hal : the video posted is a first draft to show the concept, the point of Hal is to show it doesn’t work narratively, not technically.

Here’s a quick (rough) pass of Padme on Alderaan:
https://vimeo.com/250994705

DominicCobb said:

Here’s a quick (rough) pass of Padme on Alderaan:
https://vimeo.com/250994705

Are you using a DNR? I always thought that shot looked grainier than the surrounding shots.