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Originally posted by: RemixerBoss
Whoever is seeding this pile of shit Mr. Gilchrist thought was better than CE 1.0, stop seeding it, NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Shut the hell up already.

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This is one scene which was particularly bad -- a veritable pixel-blizzard. I can't fathom that OCP would spend so much time on this without noticing such problems if they were capable of being so noticed on his equipment, and, that being the case, can only surmise that the output looked good on whatever display he was using. (And this is the lesson for all of us: Any video project should be watched on a variety of platforms before being marked rock-solid.)

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Holy. Crap. I don't care how you cut it...the 1.0 versions had their shortcomings, but this is ridiculous. You really just can't excuse this, especially considering the issues (cough*$$$*cough) that cropped up during the creation of this that led to OCP being excused from the board.

Shit.
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I was never that impressed with these versions.


Originally posted by: pittrek
Hm, the screenshots look fine to me on my monitor


I think you need a new monitor mate!
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ReverendBeastly,

Thanks for posting those screenshots. That's disappointing. I had high hopes for this release.

If OCPmovie paced himself a bit more and overhyped his releases a little less, I think they would really shine.

That said, OCPmovie was a great inspiration for people, and his original Star Wars Classic Edition is actually the reason I found my way to originaltrilogy.com.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Originally posted by: RemixerBoss
Whoever is seeding this pile of shit Mr. Gilchrist thought was better than CE 1.0, stop seeding it, NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Shut the hell up already.


Ha ha ha.

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Oh my god, I'm just looking at these screenshots at work on a MUCH better monitor and they look terrible
Any tips how to avoid it in MY project ?
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Yeah, don't ramp up the brightness willy-nilly.

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Calibrate your monitor. Buy a new one if yours sucks. Don't convert your footage into another lossy codec for editing. (Work in a lossless codec if you're going to alter your footage, then re-encode.)

Edit: Oh, and know how to properly encode your video back to MPEG2. Master your software. All the work you've done will be for nothing if your encode turns out looking like crap.

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"Hey you guys, it's OCP. I'm back! I am going to need to buy a new monitor because my SW:CE Version 2 didn't turn out quite the way I wanted it to. I know, I know - I just had to get a new DVD burner! Anyway, in honor of this occassion, I am going to do an ultra-limited special edition run of Star Wars: Classic Edition Version 3 for just a select few! Real copies of MY movie on real DVD-R's! And you can get them for the low low price of only $40 a piece! Just remember, the Classic Edition IS Star Wars - not the way it was, but the same way you've been ripped off on it for the past 30 years!"

NOTE: The preceding was just me making fun of the whole charging for DVD's things. The Classic Editions are not for sale by me and they shouldn't be for sale by anyone else. Don't buy them.
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Man, let it go already. I'll admit his practices were shady and this release was really sub-par, but the dude brought a lot of excellent things into this community. Stuff like Deleted Magic and The Thief and the Cobbler set a crazy-high level of quality for fan releases that's only been met by a few other brilliant minds around here.

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Originally posted by: Zion
Calibrate your monitor. Buy a new one if yours sucks. Don't convert your footage into another lossy codec for editing. (Work in a lossless codec if you're going to alter your footage, then re-encode.)

Edit: Oh, and know how to properly encode your video back to MPEG2. Master your software. All the work you've done will be for nothing if your encode turns out looking like crap.


In my project I have used the beginning of this movie from the 2004 DVD with necessary colour-corrections done by AviSynth filter colourlike.
And guess what ? It looks great on my oldie monitor at home, but looks EXACTLY like the crap posted above. The same artefacts in the same scenes. It is actually a great example how BAD the 2004 DVDs are, because it's a problem in the source video stream, not a codec problem.
I always use uncompressed avis or usually do all my edits in avs, and then I encode it straight to m2v. It's not my first video I'm doing, don't be afraid
I was asking if there's a chance to "fix" these kind of errors without repainting it frame by frame. My brain has enough of it after spending a month on repainting every single frame in the "Luke meets Biggs" scene
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Hell, you don't need to let it go Andy,I thought it was damn funny,some of my shit was for sale by this POS.
that was a good one
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Originally posted by: pittrekOh my god, I'm just looking at these screenshots at work on a MUCH better monitor and they look terrible Any tips how to avoid it in MY project ?


* Your anamorphic DVD9-quality fan-edit project will need to look great on a huge, high-definition plasma wall-screen as well as a laptop, or at least as good as the source material at any rate-- because that's what people are going to expect if you advertise it as "anamorphic 16x9 wide-screen" or anything else promising rich, creamy lossless goodness. This means you should have a monitor like that at your disposal. OCP spent a lot of time making an 8gig movie that looks no better than a 700mb DIVX rip almost certainly for the reason that he didn't examine the output on higher-qualify platforms. Your output should look good when played from a PC, a Mac, or a stand-alone DVD-player.

* Don't do a damn thing until you've made an exhaustive check-list of every single feature of the film you want to change. Talk to fans endlessly. When you're about to begin....put it off for a little bit longer -- because it's guaranteed that a couple more items will pop up. Consult your check-list repeatedly: Pretend you're a airliner pilot -- don't let any niggling detail come back and bite you in the ass (e.g., Greedo's subtitles, et al).

* (Previous comments regarding filters, lossy formats, encoding, etc.) I find it helps to fiddle with minor test projects first. Like half-hour cartoon episodes with reduced color palettes -- then render quickly.

* Once you have application filters, tools, drivers and codecs all lined up perfectly and have had excellent results on your test projects, make sure auto-updating is turned OFF for everything -- you don't want some piece of software auto-updating in the middle of your work and suddenly reducing compatibility or introducing other errors.

* Provide samples to friends and fans regularly so they can critique the quality of your work. Submit samples for analysis in video-editing forums. The professionals in said forums will know as lot more about the suitability of various applications to your task.

* Don't ask for DVD cover art until the project is well along and you've built up good cred.

* Distribution of finished product: You can break your piggy-bank buying DVD9s to ship to all hither-'n-gone, support the spam merchants at RapidShare, indulge the arcana of usenet RAR-segmenting or IRC servers.... Or you could shoot for the much, much larger bittorrent audience by composing a decent multi-tracker .torrent of an ISO file (or folder full of VOBs) that will self-perpetuate after you're done seeding. I hereby offer my services to anyone in this, latter regard. (Ensuring that a torrent reliably self-perpetuates takes very little additional time, but the learning curve to knowing exactly what to do is moderately steep and filled with frustrations.)
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The main problem I think was using an uncalibrated monitor (same problem that hounds Cowclops V2) and going for a quick fix re colour correction.

If you adjust the levels a bit even using OCPs source image a lot of the noise disappears...

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but part of the problem is the DVDs where somewhat crushed, so there isn't a lot of usable detail in the dark areas, and boosting them without care just boosts the low level noise Can anyone post a straight grab of this shot from the US 2004DVD?
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I just had a chance to start watching this myself this past weekend. Even though I haven't finished watching it yet (taking care of a newborn and all), I'd have to echo andy's review. Anytime there's to much black on the screen, it looks like shiat. Brighter scenes seem to look ok, but I am by no means a videophile. I have a 50" HDTV, so when scenes look really bad, I notice. Minor stuff I don't notice so much (I'm about 15' from the screen).

Personally, I think I'd attribute most of this to the GOUT. I think OCP tried to salvage something that, IMO, isn't salvageable. Some scenes look fantastic and it's probably because they're from the 2004 DVDs. But other scenes look downright nasty.

One thing that I love about this disc is the sound though. I don't know what other sets have had this mix, but I'm 99% positive that I've never heard that voice from Beru's mouth. When she started to speak, I stared straight at the screen in disbelief. Does anyone know if this mix was ever released on VHS or Laserdisc (I only have the Definitive Collection set)? I also honestly haven't watched all the VHS releases I have, so I may have it and just not know it.
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Originally posted by: LasermanThe main problem I think was using an uncalibrated monitor (same problem that hounds Cowclops V2) and going for a quick fix re colour correction. Even so, you should never trust ONE monitor.but part of the problem is the DVDs where somewhat crushed...
Crushed from what? They were 8 gigs.

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Originally posted by: lordjediOne thing that I love about this disc is the sound though. I don't know what other sets have had this mix, but I'm 99% positive that I've never heard that voice from Beru's mouth. When she started to speak, I stared straight at the screen in disbelief. Does anyone know if this mix was ever released on VHS or Laserdisc (I only have the Definitive Collection set)? I also honestly haven't watched all the VHS releases I have, so I may have it and just not know it.
That's the original Beru (and I sigh contentedly every time I hear her, just like I do when the Ewoks are partying down at the end of Jedi the way Lucas won't let 'em anymore). I'm no authority on which tapes and platters have her, however.
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Originally posted by: mike18xx
Originally posted by: LasermanThe main problem I think was using an uncalibrated monitor (same problem that hounds Cowclops V2) and going for a quick fix re colour correction. Even so, you should never trust ONE monitor.but part of the problem is the DVDs where somewhat crushed...
Crushed from what? They were 8 gigs.


The black and white levels where crushed on the 2004 DVD to make it look more like current action movies where they go for a punchier more saturated look at the expense of detail in shadows and highlights. I wasn't referring to compression.


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Originally posted by: Zion
Here you go L:

(Grabbed with DVD Decrypter/VirtualDubMod)


Thanks Z!

You can see straight away that the problem is there in the source in that shot, the dark areas have a lot of noise close to black. Lifting the blacks without taking care of the noise will result in what OCP has. If you turn up the brightness too far on your TV the 2004DVD will probably look just like OCPs image.

edit: you can also see that in OCPs image he has lost a lot of detail with his colour correction like in hands of the guy on the left, look around the knuckle area.
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It looks to me what OCP has done is just raise the gamma settings without adjusting the input black & white levels. Using just the gamma setting will bring out all the noise in the darker & some other areas. I came across this problem when i was first attempting to colour correct ANH. But i found that you only need to raise the gamma very slightly and then use the input white level to brighten without bringing out too much noise. Here's an comparison example. Here you can see that i have managed to brighten up the image without bringing out too much noise in the darker areas and is almost as bright as OCP's. i boosted the saturation on my image just to match OCP's just for this example. The original of mine has had the saturation dropped by about 20%

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I find it is always best to do some quick renders first onto a dvd-rw and check on a few tv's to see if any problems have occured with brightening & colour correction. The problem with the 2004 DVD's is that the detail has been lost in the black areas and no amount of brightening will fix this. Its all just finding a good balance between brightness & minimal image noise.

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Not bad Adywan.

I dug up my old CC project and this is what mine looks like. Noise isn't cleaned up as you can see, but my adjustments were made based on the colors and levels of the Japanese Special Collection LD.

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Edit: In checking what I actually adjusted, it appears all I did was set saturation at 82%, adjust gamma and pedestal for the midtones, and adjust gain and gamma for the shadows.

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