(Spoilers)How could The Force Awakens have been more original? — Page 7

adywan said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

adywan said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

… In fact, I did think that ESB Lando was pushing up to the limits, but adventure heroes have always sailed off to exotic “lands” and encountered tribal chiefs and bosses. It was ROTJ Lando that went over the top as an allied general in what was, in part, a WWII propaganda feature. He could have served as a Tuskeegee squadron commander. Ackbar was better as an allied naval commander.

Adywan said … Welcome to the real world where there are other colours apart from white. You must really love the prequels with its racist portrayals of characters.

   In the mid-seventies, around the release of SW while GL was developing his story, the pop culture figure perhaps considered the funniest and most popular with blacks and whites was J-J from the sitcom 'GOOD TIMES'.
   His function was to provide zaney, silly humor and to be over-the-top so that the other black characters in the all black cast could seem more straight and reasonable.
   I can see why those unfamiliar with this would wonder if the character, in isolation, was a stereotype.

     What the hell does any of that have to do with what i said about the prequels and their racist stereotypes? afsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd

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TV’s Frink said:

If you can’t make simple posts in the text editor instead of copy/pasting, I’m going to request your permanent ban from management.

         Hey, indents. I figured out how to make indents. Important progress.

thejediknighthusezni said:

TV’s Frink said:

If you can’t make simple posts in the text editor instead of copy/pasting, I’m going to request your permanent ban from management.

         Hey, indents. I figured out how to make indents. Important progress. But I tell you what, I'm gonna fix this later because for now I have some more important racist shit to work on.

ALLOL

Well, if concern for original SW as established by ANH and ESB was discrimination, this site would be a hate group :P

Oh FFS, learn how to format your goddamn posts so that they’re the least bit readable!

He knows how, he just be trollin’.

Thing #1: Use George Lucas’ script instead of throwing it out. I don’t know what was in that script, and hopefully it will surface one day. But only he really truly knows where the story needs to go.

#2: In absence of that script, the backstory for the film is far more interesting than the film itself. The battle of Jakku, the formation of the new jedi order, Luke training Han and Leia’s kid. That kid falling to the dark side etc. It’s an amateur writers mistake to not tell the most interesting part of your story.

I can even picture the opening scene of such a film. The unknown figure of Kylo/Ben being approached by a hooded figure, the lightsabers come out, seemingly the hooded figure is an aggressor, after an intense battle the hood comes off and it’s revealed that it was Luke Skywalker, and Ben has just failed another spar.

BmB said:

But only he really truly knows where the story needs to go.

#2: In absence of that script, the backstory for the film is far more interesting than the film itself. The battle of Jakku, the formation of the new jedi order, Luke training Han and Leia’s kid. That kid falling to the dark side etc. It’s an amateur writers mistake to not tell the most interesting part of your story.

I agree the backstory sounds more interesting than the film itself but a proper sequel to ROTJ would have been made decades ago and not now. You can’t really blame TFA for the 30 year time gap between it and ROTJ.

BmB said:

Thing #1: Use George Lucas’ script instead of throwing it out. I don’t know what was in that script, and hopefully it will surface one day. But only he really truly knows where the story needs to go.

I remember you and I see I still disagree with every single thing you say.

TV’s Frink said:
I remember you and I see I still disagree with every single thing you say.

I know it’s still fashionable to hate on George, but look at the expanded universe, fan fiction, and TFA itself. Others attempts at expanding the story are overwhelmingly not good, and lack the substance of George’s direction. It is his story and as such only he can tell it.

The Lucas of the late 70’s - early 80’s is gone. You need to accept that. His ability to craft a story comparable to the OT or TFA has dissipated.

Lord Haseo said:

The Lucas of the late 70’s - early 80’s is gone. You need to accept that. His ability to craft a story comparable to the OT or TFA has dissipated.

I don’t think so at all, the prequel story was fundamentally good. While his directing ability is questionable, there’s no reason to think that he wouldn’t be able to write a good continuation. Indeed he very likely had a lot of it written out in notes and so on beforehand, talking about the sequel trilogy going as far back as the set of IV. He admits his dialogue isn’t great himself, but that’s not an insurmountable obstacle. Have another writer do a dialogue pass.

Lucas is a terrible director and filmmaker, but I wouldn’t have minded seeing his story for Episode VII at all. Just not under his direction.

BmB said:

Lord Haseo said:

The Lucas of the late 70’s - early 80’s is gone. You need to accept that. His ability to craft a story comparable to the OT or TFA has dissipated.

I don’t think so at all, the prequel story was fundamentally good. While his directing ability is questionable, there’s no reason to think that he wouldn’t be able to write a good continuation. Indeed he very likely had a lot of it written out in notes and so on beforehand, talking about the sequel trilogy going as far back as the set of IV. He admits his dialogue isn’t great himself, but that’s not an insurmountable obstacle. Have another writer do a dialogue pass.

Lucas was a pretty good idea man but his ability to execute such things post ROTJ was nil. If anything JJ and Kasdan could have taken a couple of ideas George had and adapted it to Episode VII.

BmB said:

I know it’s still fashionable to hate on George, but look at the expanded universe, fan fiction, and TFA itself. Others attempts at expanding the story are overwhelmingly not good, and lack the substance of George’s direction. It is his story and as such only he can tell it.

I’ll take 50% of the EU, 10% of fanfiction, and 30% of TFA over 100% of Lucas’ direction anyday.

Lord Haseo said:
Lucas was a pretty good idea man but his ability to execute such things post ROTJ was nil. If anything JJ and Kasdan could have taken a couple of ideas George had and adapted it to Episode VII.

But they didn’t. And the result was as you see.

BmB said:

Lord Haseo said:
Lucas was a pretty good idea man but his ability to execute such things post ROTJ was nil. If anything JJ and Kasdan could have taken a couple of ideas George had and adapted it to Episode VII.

But they didn’t. And the result was as you see.

Yep and that’s a pretty good film; not perfect but leagues better than the PT and (imo) better than ROTJ. And what’s even better is that for all of TFA’s failings in certain areas there’s not a midichlorian, a virgin birth or a kid Boba Fett among them.

And say what you will about the Rathtars they’re leagues better than Ewoks or Gungans

Well, it’s better than the PT, at any rate.

Lord Haseo said:
Yep and that’s a pretty good film; not perfect but leagues better than the PT and (imo) better than ROTJ. And what’s even better is that for all of TFA’s failings in certain areas there’s not a midichlorian, a virgin birth or a kid Boba Fett among them.

I suppose you can think that. But personally I would rather watch a jar jar montage interspersed with midichlorian technobabble and yoda dancing, on repeat for 8 hours than another second of TFA.

Abrams raped my childhood.

Also, midichlorians were introduced in 1978.

BmB said:

Lord Haseo said:
Yep and that’s a pretty good film; not perfect but leagues better than the PT and (imo) better than ROTJ. And what’s even better is that for all of TFA’s failings in certain areas there’s not a midichlorian, a virgin birth or a kid Boba Fett among them.

I suppose you can think that. But personally I would rather watch a jar jar montage interspersed with midichlorian technobabble and yoda dancing, on repeat for 8 hours than another second of TFA.

Abrams raped my childhood.

I have no problem with someone being masochistic though I’m not one to indulge in that particular “thrill”.

Also, midichlorians were introduced in 1978.

Citation needed