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Fleets in action are boring.
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(Spoilers)How could The Force Awakens have been more original? — Page 4
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Beg to differ…
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WRONG FLEETS
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Yes, 'cause a blue/green lightsaber and a blue/green lightsaber alone would be all it would take to make a bad guy indistinquishable from a good guy. Things like body language, vocal inflection, general attitude and the actions they partake in – those things don’t matter once goddamn iota.
Oh, but I forgot – only little children under the age of five watch SW movies.
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Oh, this guy is just oh so warm, friendly, and inviting,
At least he’s wearing black armor and not white robes like what’s-his-name suggested.
EDIT: I’ve to come to a conclusion. The only way Episode 7 (discounting Episodes 8 and 9, which crazy potential for originality) can be completely original is if it is set a lot more than 30 years after Return of the Jedi. Would you want to sacrifice characters like Kylo Ren and seeing Luke again for a more original story that is not guarenteed to be better?
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Man, this thread got quiet. Think again before criticizing the Force Awakens of its originality!
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An argument can be made that it was not derivative enough, but here goes…
Interpreting “originality” broadly, no PC for the sake of PC. We are already getting “Black: check. Hispanic: check.” everywhere and with everything.
I thought Ridley, Boyega, and Isaacs did a fantastic job, Ford couldn’t have carried the production to 2 billion by himself, but this series is supposed to be essentially a '30s-'40s adventure serial. Also, it was white male characters and white male fans that carried the franchise to greatness. The Black Panther movie is in production. Imagine how distracting it would be if they decided the lead was black for too darned long and there needs to be a white lead to demonstrate inclusion. I can’t wrap my head around a black guy as 007 for the same reason. To top it off, there’s just no way to divorce this kind of thing from the element of “Yyyyyeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh!!! Now we’re really sticking it to whitey!!!” Unpleasantly distracting. They’re lucky they had a lot of watercooler buzz.
On the business side, I don’t believe for a second that sales would have suffered if Finn and Po were fair blue-eyed white guys, all else being equal. Without the distraction, if anything, they would have blown past Titanic to threaten Avatar. Titanic and Avatar had white male leads, Jurrassic World had whites as the three principle males, and Avengers had all but one male as white (though an Italian American for Bruce Banner instead of Hulk was a slight switcheroo.)
I’m tired of the nasty, and even downright hateful attitudes that inevitably get attached to these PC efforts, and I feel the greatest problem with the PT was the refusal to be consistent with the OT in every way possible.
I still hope that the screenwriters will find a way to satisfy most everyone with this, but I’m still looking for that shamelessly '30s-'40s serial SW movie.
Edit: Where the hhheeeeeeelllllll are my indents?!?!? I need indents!
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That post feels really boneheaded and racist and awful, but I can’t make enough sense of it to know for certain.
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You’re saying yourself that Finn being black didn’t affect the plot in any way. Are you now suggesting that every time an actors ethnicity doesn’t influence the story, it should be the standard to chooose the white one? Does there always need to be a special reason to have a non-white (or non-male, non-hetero etc.) character? The people outside don’t have a specific reason to be asian or hispanic or whatever, they just are the way they are and for Star Wars, this is now unthinkable?
Also, Star Wars has a tradition of being inclusive since 1980, do you complain about Lando, too?
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That post feels really boneheaded and racist and awful, but I can’t make enough sense of it to know for certain.
You can be certain.
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I’m tired of the nasty, and even downright hateful attitudes that inevitably get attached to these PC efforts, and I feel the greatest problem with the PT was the refusal to be consistent with the OT in every way possible.
You do realize that TPM was quite racist, right? Should be right up your alley, actually.
Also, you’re the one with the nasty hateful attitude.
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You’re saying yourself that Finn being black didn’t affect the plot in any way. Are you now suggesting that every time an actors ethnicity doesn’t influence the story, it should be the standard to chooose the white one? Does there always need to be a special reason to have a non-white (or non-male, non-hetero etc.) character? The people outside don’t have a specific reason to be asian or hispanic or whatever, they just are the way they are and for Star Wars, this is now unthinkable?
Also, Star Wars has a tradition of being inclusive since 1980, do you complain about Lando, too?
I'm saying that principal characters in an upgraded Golden Age adventure serial should be white, Black Panther should be black. An actor's ethnicity ALWAYS influences the overall character of the production. It's the most obvious aspect in the visual medium.
I've always admired GL's subtle but powerful inclusion of other races in his Flash Gordon series. 3PO and R2 as loyal companions facing discrimination in cantinas and treatment as third-class, Chewie as fierce and constant co-pilot, Yoda as wise oriental....
In fact, I did think that ESB Lando was pushing up to the limits, but adventure heroes have always sailed off to exotic "lands" and encountered tribal chiefs and bosses. It was ROTJ Lando that went over the top as an allied general in what was, in part, a WWII propaganda feature. He could have served as a Tuskeegee squadron commander. Ackbar was better as an allied naval commander.- Time
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Your idea of what “should be” sucks. As does your formatting.
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Man, this thread got quiet.
Is this somehow better?
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Man, this thread got quiet. Think again before criticizing the Force Awakens of its originality!
We already shared our thoughts on this topic. What are we all supposed to do now, go around in circles? 😄
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
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As a mixed man I really don’t know how to respond to this but all I’ll say is that characters should transcend race. Finn for example doesn’t strike me as belonging to any ethnicity; to me he’s just a person.
Man, this thread got quiet. Think again before criticizing the Force Awakens of its originality!
Why beat a dead horse? Also with people saying TFA is a rehash of ANH even in times when it’s not warranted why contribute to that?
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As a mixed man I really don’t know how to respond to this but all I’ll say is that characters should transcend race. Finn for example doesn’t strike me as belonging to any ethnicity; to me he’s just a person.
Exactly. Same with Rey. Same with Lando.
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“At least he’s wearing black armor and not white robes like what’s-his-name suggested.”
“what’s-his-name” would suggest it’s either a stupid name, or one that’s nor worth copying and pasting. But for the record, I’ve never suggest “what’s-his-name” should wear white robes, I said it wouldn’t be a problem if he did. But go back to writing that really good Star Wars film, though.
Caligula’expanded OST, V2 Released
The Shining’s complete OST
Ghidorah, The Tree-Headed Monster (English dub synched to Toho cut)
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“At least he’s wearing black armor and not white robes like what’s-his-name suggested.”
“what’s-his-name” would suggest it’s either a stupid name, or one that’s nor worth copying and pasting. But for the record, I’ve never suggest “what’s-his-name” should wear white robes, I said it wouldn’t be a problem if he did. But go back to writing that really good Star Wars film, though.
I can’t be the only one who has no idea what this means or is in reference to.
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^This:
Yes, 'cause a blue/green lightsaber and a blue/green lightsaber alone would be all it would take to make a bad guy indistinquishable from a good guy. Things like body language, vocal inflection, general attitude and the actions they partake in – those things don’t matter once goddamn iota.
Oh, but I forgot – only little children under the age of five watch SW movies.
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Oh, this guy is just oh so warm, friendly, and inviting,
At least he’s wearing black armor and not white robes like what’s-his-name suggested.
EDIT: I’ve to come to a conclusion. The only way Episode 7 (discounting Episodes 8 and 9, which crazy potential for originality) can be completely original is if it is set a lot more than 30 years after Return of the Jedi. Would you want to sacrifice characters like Kylo Ren and seeing Luke again for a more original story that is not guarenteed to be better?
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
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Is the quote button broken today or something?
In my defense, I usually skip over posts with lots of words.
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As a mixed man I really don’t know how to respond to this but all I’ll say is that characters should transcend race. Finn for example doesn’t strike me as belonging to any ethnicity; to me he’s just a person.
Exactly. Same with Rey. Same with Lando.
Plus in a Galaxy where multiple species of sentients intermingle why should the race of a Human be pertinent at all? This whole discussion was rather ridiculous.
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I forgot to mention Anakin. He’s a person and his name is Anakin.
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An argument can be made that it was not derivative enough, but here goes…
Interpreting “originality” broadly, no PC for the sake of PC. We are already getting “Black: check. Hispanic: check.” everywhere and with everything.
I thought Ridley, Boyega, and Isaacs did a fantastic job, Ford couldn’t have carried the production to 2 billion by himself, but this series is supposed to be essentially a '30s-'40s adventure serial. Also, it was white male characters and white male fans that carried the franchise to greatness. The Black Panther movie is in production. Imagine how distracting it would be if they decided the lead was black for too darned long and there needs to be a white lead to demonstrate inclusion. I can’t wrap my head around a black guy as 007 for the same reason. To top it off, there’s just no way to divorce this kind of thing from the element of “Yyyyyeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh!!! Now we’re really sticking it to whitey!!!” Unpleasantly distracting. They’re lucky they had a lot of watercooler buzz.
On the business side, I don’t believe for a second that sales would have suffered if Finn and Po were fair blue-eyed white guys, all else being equal. Without the distraction, if anything, they would have blown past Titanic to threaten Avatar. Titanic and Avatar had white male leads, Jurrassic World had whites as the three principle males, and Avengers had all but one male as white (though an Italian American for Bruce Banner instead of Hulk was a slight switcheroo.)
I’m tired of the nasty, and even downright hateful attitudes that inevitably get attached to these PC efforts, and I feel the greatest problem with the PT was the refusal to be consistent with the OT in every way possible.
I still hope that the screenwriters will find a way to satisfy most everyone with this, but I’m still looking for that shamelessly '30s-'40s serial SW movie.
Edit: Where the hhheeeeeeelllllll are my indents?!?!? I need indents!
I'm saying that principal characters in an upgraded Golden Age adventure serial should be white, Black Panther should be black. An actor's ethnicity ALWAYS influences the overall character of the production. It's the most obvious aspect in the visual medium. I've always admired GL's subtle but powerful inclusion of other races in his Flash Gordon series. 3PO and R2 as loyal companions facing discrimination in cantinas and treatment as third-class, Chewie as fierce and constant co-pilot, Yoda as wise oriental.... In fact, I did think that ESB Lando was pushing up to the limits, but adventure heroes have always sailed off to exotic "lands" and encountered tribal chiefs and bosses. It was ROTJ Lando that went over the top as an allied general in what was, in part, a WWII propaganda feature. He could have served as a Tuskeegee squadron commander. Ackbar was better as an allied naval commander.
So am i seeing from your posts is that you believe its ok to have aliens portraying other ethnicities as long as there are no blacks included? And that any lead actor have to be white? And how the hell does someones race influence the character of someone in a bloody space fantasy? Both Finn and Poe were written without the character being of a “certain colour”. The fact that John Boyega ended up in the role was because JJ loved his performance in Attack the Block and NOT because he was black.
The racism in your posts is quite clear. Welcome to the real world where there are other colours apart from white. You must really love the prequels with its racist portrayals of characters.
I love that the fact that Star Wars having a black lead actor brings out all the blatant racists. It makes it easier to uncover the type of people you don’t want any form of associations with. Is this really the type of person we want associated with these boards?
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If I had been responsible for the production of ROTJ, the PT, and the ST, I would have taken a bold Sharpie and written across my forehead in reverse "AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE, IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, WITH ANH AND ESB!!!!" so that it would be the first thing I see every morning. But hey, I shouldn't expect guys who frequent a site titled 'ORIGINAL TRILOGY' to understand that. ;)
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Back to first principles. 'Science FICTION' is forward looking, 'Science FANTASY' is DECIDEDLY BACKWARDS looking. It's about rooting itself in the legendary and mythical PAST. "A long time ago...." The moment someone starts thinking "Ooh, we need to portray a better future!" he/she has FAILED SPECTACULARLY.
“Backwards looking” does not equate to “backwards thinking”.