SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *) — Page 46

Was encouraged to post these ideas from the Prequel Radical Redux thread, just in case you missed them:

Bingowings said:

"Wipe them out, of of them" is one of the few good lines in TPM but it seems a bit too good to be used in the context of the Gungans Vs The Droids.

What about shifting it to killing the Jedi in ROTS instead?

Mithrandir said:

Well bingo, I always found it weird that Palpatine knows the names of his commanders, or that he calls Cody in particular... but "Commander(s), the time has come...wipe them out" would fit that moment of the Emperor's character.

brash_stryker said:

Love that idea, Bingo. Also Mithrandir, you're spot on that palps wouldn't address a soldier (let alone a clone) by name.

You could even use the "commander" from ROTJ from the line "fire at will, commander". The inflection of it makes it sound like a question when it's isolated from the rest of the sentence.

e.g.

"Commander?"
"Yes, my lord"
"The time has come. Wipe them out. All of them."

*Montage*

I do love the brainstorming on these forums :-)

Nicely done, but it'd be more confusing than anything, imo.

vaderios said:

Bingowings said:

Having the birth dream on screen next seems to imply that Anakin's child will be his more powerful apprentice, coupled with the line about youth it does conjure up an image of a baby Sith apprentice.

Fantastic!

You sir are an Ideas Generator!

Just as long as I'm not giving you the wrong ideas :-O

Is that you on the left or the right, Bingo?

BarBar Jinkx said:

rpvee said:

Nicely done, but it'd be more confusing than anything, imo.

How so, I found it much more coherent and logical than what we were given in the official release

Because it establishes that Cody has talked to Sidious before, which confuses the viewer as there have been no hints at such a character development before.  If Sidious just talks and Cody replies, it implies more that he's directly taking an order without thought as opposed to having a conversation.  Kinda hard to explain.

Just saw the new clip, Bob! Great job!

He looks a bit lonely, but, I gotta say, it's awesome to see him there!

Although, I have to admit that he looks like he's a bit disoriented, like, he missed a meeting or something. XD

XD

Doesn't work for me story-wise either, but it's so refreshing actually seeing a real armoured trooper in there!

brash_stryker said:

... but it's so refreshing actually seeing a real armoured trooper in there!

I very much agree.

If that's "the point" it's a stupid one. Sidious would never associate with a clone let alone address him by name.

A fairly radical idea: When he sends the hologram, let's not have it received by "Commander Cody" or any clone on Utapau for that matter. Instead have it received by a suited officer on Coruscant (I've never liked the fact that SOME clones can advance to "commander" status - they're all identical and disposable!)

Obviously this would require some refilming of a costumed actor in front of a green screen, but as far as the ideas here go, it's a pretty simple one. Get an amateur actor who looks a bit like Peter Cushing and it can even be 'Commander' Tarkin's career defining move, and why he gained such favour with Palpatine and was able to talk to Vader the way he does - he was loyal to Palps and had this 'Order 66' in place long before Anakin turned.

EDIT: Thought I was on the Radical Redux thread, but I'll leave the idea here just for people's interest. I'll also repost it over there.

brash_stryker said:

If that's "the point" it's a stupid one. Sidious would never associate with a clone let alone address him by name.

A fairly radical idea: When he sends the hologram, let's not have it received by "Commander Cody" or any clone on Utapau for that matter. Instead have it received by a suited officer on Coruscant (I've never liked the fact that SOME clones can advance to "commander" status - they're all identical and disposable!)

Obviously this would require some refilming of a costumed actor in front of a green screen, but as far as the ideas here go, it's a pretty simple one. Get an amateur actor who looks a bit like Peter Cushing and it can even be 'Commander' Tarkin's career defining move, and why he gained such favour with Palpatine and was able to talk to Vader the way he does - he was loyal to Palps and had this 'Order 66' in place long before Anakin turned.

EDIT: Thought I was on the Radical Redux thread, but I'll leave the idea here just for people's interest. I'll also repost it over there.

I like that idea. Any Cushing look-a-likes?

I once dated a girl who was a descendant of his brother :-p

Watching Bob's vid, I insist, one of the most obvious differences between CT and ST is the opacity of their suits .If there was something doable to this it could work even better, though I don’t know if it would be really a good idea to mix clonetroopers and stormtroopers in the same scene. I think it would rather be more symbolic, to show them “receiving” their new amours. It comes to my mind the “clone reveal” scene in Kamino, when you see all those suited troopers walking and taking their helmets from an assembly line.

Perhaps with some heavy AE work (changing the background for one more Imperial-like, even one that look on board of a SD), plus tweaking the helmets to make it look like OT stormtroopers you could get it to work like the ultimate “this is the Galactic Empire” scene.

I remember that Bob said that his end for ROTDS will be a lot different from the original release, so I don’t know if this suggestion could fit in his plan for the edit; though I’m sure he’ll make it better than the theatrical version, for in ROTS the visual moment that indicates the transtition from Republic to Empire is that the SD goes from red to gray (rather flat stuff for such a “hinge” in the saga). What’s more, SDs in the rest of the saga (even in AOTC, Republic Era)  have always been gray, and the only episode that feels out of place in that sense, is ROTS.

Remember I suggested a time jump wipe at the end of ROTS (to mirror the celebrations in ROTJ:SE and allow for the Death Star to be built in a more believable time frame)?

Something similar would allow the transition between Clone Troopers with pure white armour (already a change from the coloured armour of the Clone Wars) to transition to the Storm Troopers of the OT in ROTS without having to force the issue.

Perhaps it would be better to make the change of amours explicit:

http://img138.imageshack.us/i/stormis1.jpg/

http://img708.imageshack.us/i/stormis2.jpg/ (If somehow you could replace the bridge with something more imperial-like and put Vader and the Emperor/Tarkin inside the circled area; I think it could work).

I'm for mixing ships of different eras throughout the saga. It's like a continuity of technology that makes it all more believable, no one just throws his old car just because he's got a new one. That's why I love your mock up, Bingo. I suggested putting EPIII star destroyers in ANH (the ones that patrol over Tatooine, the ones the Falcon elude when they set off), since Tatooine is in the outer rim and the Empire just wouldn't send their best stuff (the rebellion isn't serious till the destruction of the DS, they're just a "hope"); and even putting Republican and Separatist cruisers in ROTJ final battle, for the Alliance would use every ship (even old republican cruisers, used junk) they have at hand for their ultimate battle, they'd throw stones to the Empire if they could!... wait, I think the ewoks did already did it.

But with the suits, it's different, we see no mixing between EPII and EPIII, so don't know if it would work. It's rather stupid by Lucas to show only white armours and not the rest of the Army of the Republic suits, that based on what's been shown in Clone Wars, is almost the same than the Empire suits (officers, guards, etc)...

My mockup is meant to be a wipe (with the TIE pulling the wipe along) suggesting a timeline leap of a over a decade so the old ships are still in the same timeframe as the film and the newer ones are nearer the timeframe of ANH which would make the Death Star construction make sense.

It would also allow for some genuine footage of Peter Cushing to represent Tarkin.

I was suggesting something similar for the troops.

Yeah, we need to see the corruption of the dark side take hold over the years. Not have vehicles representing it in the mix before the emperor takes power. (Nor have it implied they've been 'on standby' to replace the current ones)

The Tie Fighter became a symbol of evil oppression in the OT. What would it become to someone watching chronlogically if they were around in the republic era too? Even if it's on the cusp of the reform.

I think having ships like the jedi starfighters, which are reminiscent of the TIEs without being "evil" is fine! One of the few things Lucas got right. Unlike those fugly supposed X-Wing precursors.

God I cannot convey enough how much I hate those ships, or how little their inclusion makes sense.