SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *) — Page 36

bobgarcia74 said:

Need some fresh eyes for this next shot, cause I've been looking at it for so long. ATM anything looks good.

During the final duel I removed the line. "You underestimate my power". For obvious reasons. My problem was that with alot of the lines from this part removed, Anakin jumping comes way to quick. So I reinserted the shot when Anakin gives that line, but removed him saying anything. Using motion tracking and masks. Feel free to pick it apart, cause like I said, right now it's hard for me to judge it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PANbsSf0cQ

That actually works quite nicely bob. With that line gone, it makes the scene more tense. :-)

it's great- the shot is now a little too long IMO - you should try to cut the last 0.5 or 1 sec of this shot ( movements of his face are a little strange here)

I don't see anything wrong with it. It looks great! Nice job!

Yeah, his expression is a little odd (constipated?) and it stays on him a fraction too long - but you're definitely on the right track.

I like it!  Maybe have his eyes look down and up a bit, as if eying the distance between him and Obi-Wan.

rpvee said:

I like it!  Maybe have his eyes look down and up a bit, as if eying the distance between him and Obi-Wan.

That's actually an awesome idea! Not because it would show Anakin eying the distance (come on, the guy is basically Superman XD Why would he care about the distance?) but because it would show his inner struggle a little bit. Obi says "Don't try it!" and Anakain is, like, "Maybe I shouldn't... mmmm naaah... I'm fudgin pissed! Let's finish this!"

EDIT: OR!!! ( I just had an awesome idea!!! ) XD OR you could just have Obi LEAVE! Imagine if Anakin lets Obi Wan LEAVE! The whole dialog they are having after Anakin get's shopped up - if you remove the chopping up part and let Anakin stay on the platform the whole time - imagine how awesome that would look!

They fight, they have their dialog, Anakin realizes he can't really beat Obi Wan and he lets him leave!

It would tie Episode III and Episode IV NICELY! Remember Vader says "When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master!"

Dude! My english sucks, but I really hope you understand what I'm saying here! And please consider doing this! Just consider! I know the whole burning and chopping thing looks pretty cool and it allows using the whole Vader transformation scene (which is also cool), but we could live without it and just imagine that Vader became robotic somehow in the time between EPIII and EPIV.

And, for example, those who will watch Star Wars for the first time - the whole "*I* am your father..." thing will remain a surprise! (That's of course if they don't know that Anakin eventually turns into Vader).

I've never heard an idea like this before, so I'm sorry if this has been mentioned.

 ^Good idea, except that the audience would want to know what the heck happened to Anakin that put him in the suit.

Bob, I seriously can't stop thinking about this idea. I REALLY WANT THIS IDEA COME TO LIFE. It's the best way to go IMHO. It respects both trilogies and has more of an impact, if you think about it.

I would really like to hear your thoughts on this. Seriously.

 ^Good idea, except that the audience would want to know what the heck happened to Anakin that put him in the suit.

You just don't show his transformation. Let him stay there and makes us guess what the hell happened.

That's why you have the Original Trilogy. If it's supposed to be like ONE movie, then it's ok to leave some sort of cliffhanger at the end of Part 3, don't you think?

I'm actually starting to notice some flaws in idea, starting with the fact - why wouldn't Anakin be at Padme's funiral? ...Either way, I want to know Bob's opinion first.

Also the issue of how Obi-Wan would get Anakin's saber.

bobgarcia74 said:

I like the concept Haraldo. But considering how I couldnt change Anakins saber color without a ton of people saying that it needed to be shown, I have to say that your concept falls along the same lines...

I understand that. It does complicate things. But don't get me wrong, this is your edit and so far your ideas have been truly great, so you do what you gotta do and what you feel is best. I just wanted to have fun and toss this idea around.

bobgarcia74 said:

... With that being said. If you like your idea Haraldo, then your going to love what's planned for the edit.

Ok! Now I'm even more excited! XD That's cool how you keep some stuff secret. Makes this edit even more anticipated.

What's "TyTY?"

Forget what people whine about, bottom line is the lava duel is WEAK and needs drastic editing / cutting if you want to save this movie.

Do whatever you think you need to do to achieve this.

"When I left you, I was but the Jedi master with students of my own..."

Personally I prefer the idea of them being split up and Obi finding the saber and taking it, strolling off.

rockin said:

bobgarcia74 said:

Need some fresh eyes for this next shot, cause I've been looking at it for so long. ATM anything looks good.

During the final duel I removed the line. "You underestimate my power". For obvious reasons. My problem was that with alot of the lines from this part removed, Anakin jumping comes way to quick. So I reinserted the shot when Anakin gives that line, but removed him saying anything. Using motion tracking and masks. Feel free to pick it apart, cause like I said, right now it's hard for me to judge it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PANbsSf0cQ

That actually works quite nicely bob. With that line gone, it makes the scene more tense. :-)

 It isn't only more tense, but more dramatical, more tragical, more real, and that MUST be the spirit of the scen, congratulations bob!. Obi chopping Anakin off isn`t bad at all. Leaving would be a really really powerful situation but it wouldn't go well with the part of Yoda warning Obi Wan about letting Anakin alive. What about force chokin' him to the lava? Then there'd be no "You were the chosen one. You were my brother..." Just Obi Wan leaving, disappointed.

Regarding the dialogue previous to the duel between padme and Anakin, I was planning to see what could be done to it, would it bother you if I posted here my "conclussions"?. Perhaps you have already made a decission about it.

Wow... The best thing about fan edits is that things get really enhaced. The bad one is that you realize how many things could be done to improve the movie, and how limited material you have to do it, and eventually you end up regreting that Lucas has missed such a big chance, isn't it?

fishmanlee said:

rpvee said:

 ^Good idea, except that the audience would want to know what the heck happened to Anakin that put him in the suit.

 and how is that different to what we ALL thought/wondered pre-1999?

Because as opposed to meeting a character and learning his backstory (Vader pre-1999), we have a well established character who is suddenly and completely transformed between two films in a series.

Ok here it goes my suggested dialogue, Nothing new, just tried to improve what GL gave us:

ANAKIN: Padme, I saw your ship . . .

PADME: Oh, Anakin!

ANAKIN:What are you doing out here?

PADME: Obi-Wan told me terrible things... He said you have turned to the dark side . . . that you killed younglings...

ANAKIN: Obi-Wan is trying to turn you against me.

PADME: He cares about us... He wants to help you

ANAKIN: (Smiles he doesn't believe her)

PADME: Anakin, You are a good person. Don't do this.

ANAKIN: I've done it for you. To protect you. I won't lose you the way I lost my mother!

PADME: Anakin, all I want is your love! Come away with me

ANAKIN: Don't you see, we don't have to run away anymore. I am more powerful than the Chancellor.I can overthrow him, and together you and I can make things the way we want them to be.

PADME: (Silence, dissapointed). . . Obi-Wan was right...

ANAKIN: I don't want to hear any more about Obi-Wan. Don't turn against me. (Here the line was "the jedi turned against me. don't you turn against me. Well there's two things about this line: the first one is when dide the Jedi turned against Anakin?? The second one is how to make a convincing "don't turn against me" considering that he actually says "don't YOU turn against me" and the accent is awful and almost seems to be a question

PADME: Anakin, you are going down a path I can't follow.

ANAKIN: Because of Obi-Wan?

PADME: Because of what you've done . . . 

ANAKIN: (seeing Obi-Wan) SILENCE, TENSION

PADME: No!

ANAKIN: You're with him. You've betrayed me! ("You brought him here to kill me!"... THIS ACTUALLY GETS ERASED, ANAKIN IS KINDA SUPERB, HOW CAN the future DARTH VADER EVER CONSIDER HE CAN BE KILLED?)

PADME: NO! Anakin. I swear ... I ...

OBI-WAN: Let her go, Anakin. Let her go!

ANAKIN: You turned her against me. You will not take her from me.

OBI-WAN: You've done that yourself . You have allowed this Dark Lord to twist your mind until now . . . until now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.

ANAKIN: Don't lecture me, Obi-Wan. (I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the dark side as you do...WTF IS THIS, ERASED). I have brought peace, and security to my new Empire (JUSTICE, FREEDOM? ERASED ANAKIN KNOWS THAT WHAT HE'S DONE'S A SHIT, he isn't even darth vader yet. about this I can give my point in another message if necessary)

Loved the voice change for Anakin, and the changes you've already done to the scene, like erasing the "democracy" yell and stuff, and BTW, sorry for such a large post guys

PADME: Obi-Wan told me terrible things... He said you have turned to the dark side . . . that you killed younglings...

Ok, I don't really like this part about younglings, but I have nothing against it as long as in Episode II Anakin doesn't tell Padme how he slayed everyone in that village. I admit that I borrowed this point/idea from that review I posted earlier, but it's true - why should she suddenly care about him killing the kids when in Episode II he explained her how he committed a genocide. She didn't care then, why should she care now?

EDIT: Ok, here's an idea, I will use this clip to explain it -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THBRvtxNPvE

I think we can all agree that everything that comes after "Your new Empire?" is bad. So it would be cool if the scene would play out like this -

- Anakin says "I've brought this and that to my new Empire". Have him say that last part about Empire in the background while Obi Wan is touching Padme (@ 3:05);

- Then, after Obi touches Padme, cut to the scene at 3:10 where Obi rises up and says "Your new Empire?";

- (Remove "Don't make me kill you!" & "Anakin, my allegiance is to Republic!") and right after Oby says "Your new Empire?" cut to back-shot of Anakin at 3:20;

- put Anakin on mute and remove "Then you're my enemy" part.  And then cut to the shot where Obi ignites his lightsaber at 3:26 and remove his "I will do what I must". 

Then let the scene play out the way you already cut it - whit Anakin ignitining his saber and them fighting. I'm not sure if this is even possible, but that's my take on that scene. Removing as much dialog as possible I think is the best way to go. Because they are both good actors and they say more with their body language.