STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 145

timdiggerm said:

O00ll00O said:

Darth Sadifous said:

Honestly, my number one ask is to replace that matte painting shot when Han is departing with the strike team and talking to Lando with the falcon in the background. It is the most obvious matte shot in the entire saga in my opinion. I am still shocked Lucas didn’t tinker with it during the special edition. Especially in HD it always stands out to me like a sore thumb to me.

It’s hardly noticeable

https://imgur.com/a/AVXdzmD

I think the problem is they used a matte for the entire backdrop. They usually work a lot better when there’s other objects that help blend in to it. Like if the Falcon was a model, the rest as a matte wouldn’t be so bad. That poor ship is rough looking though.

https://youtu.be/hFadMn0EuO0?t=220

I think it’s a lot worse in motion. Also, the left side behind Lando looks so flat. And something is weird with the perspective, especially if you focus on the bottom of the frame when they start moving around near the end of the shot.

it’s way too low in the shot, as opposed to how straight on Han and Lando were shot.
but I’m pretty sure adywan confirmed he is replacing these with miniatures.

Telion said:

timdiggerm said:

O00ll00O said:

Darth Sadifous said:

Honestly, my number one ask is to replace that matte painting shot when Han is departing with the strike team and talking to Lando with the falcon in the background. It is the most obvious matte shot in the entire saga in my opinion. I am still shocked Lucas didn’t tinker with it during the special edition. Especially in HD it always stands out to me like a sore thumb to me.

It’s hardly noticeable

https://imgur.com/a/AVXdzmD

I think the problem is they used a matte for the entire backdrop. They usually work a lot better when there’s other objects that help blend in to it. Like if the Falcon was a model, the rest as a matte wouldn’t be so bad. That poor ship is rough looking though.

https://youtu.be/hFadMn0EuO0?t=220

I think it’s a lot worse in motion. Also, the left side behind Lando looks so flat. And something is weird with the perspective, especially if you focus on the bottom of the frame when they start moving around near the end of the shot.

There are serveral glaring issues with the shot. Although it is a beautiful matte, it does not look realistic in motion. Looking at this it definatly seems like a reshoot (or a way to comp to two actors into one shot becuase they weren’t there on the same day?), becuase they clearly had a set scene in the two closeup shots. But it has a massive inconistancy in ship placements from hanger establishing shot, to the wide with Lando and Han, the falcon is facing a different way. Then when Han walks of screen to the shuttle, it is on a completely different side of the hanger. The whole sequence is messed up start to finish.
On third viewing im wrong about how the ship placement is wrong, it more that there isn’t enough space for the location where Han and Lando talk, based on the Establishing shot, as its meant to be in the lower right corner, between the two ships, but there is something off about the scale/lighting/preportions of those shots, whihc is why that section reads badly, IMO.

At the end of the day, the worst part of that shot is when Lando seems to walk outside the reach of the stage lights 😂, I wonder how adywan’s gonna fix that.

Braltika said:

That guy with no name said:
At the end of the day, the worst part of that shot is when Lando seems to walk outside the reach of the stage lights 😂, I wonder how adywan’s gonna fix that.

Maybe have him walk ‘under’ something like a parked B-Wing if he decides to ‘fix’ the matte painting (just a random thought). But perhaps there are easier solutions.

that might work actually.

Now it’s been a while since watching RotJ where I’m wondering… was there ever an establishing shot of the planet Sullust where the Rebels were having their rendezvous prior to the DS2 attack? Could something like this be on the cards? Maybe some random ship (like the Ghost) could enter the planet’s atmosphere and land where the base is at to show where the meeting is taking place?

Actually, come to think of it, they were still in their ships, weren’t they? Maybe a backdrop of Sullust then…

I love Boba Fett and have never minded the way he “went” out. Glad we got the show too.

Honestly, his scene in ROTJ just adds to the chaos that Luke started on the Sail Barge and I love it. Also helps to show that Boba is just a normal guy who can kick ass and not some almighty action hero like everyone likes to portray him.

FVDnz said:

Actually, come to think of it, they were still in their ships, weren’t they? Maybe a backdrop of Sullust then…

The entirety of the Rebel rendezvous takes place on the Rebel Starcruiser. There’s no planet visible, and although Vader says they’re massing near Sullust, “near” in the grand scale of space can 100% mean that no planet, or even the star Sullust orbits (or maybe Sullust is the star), should appear. On the galactic scale, “near Earth” could mean somewhere beyond Pluto. The lack of any notable stars or planets in all of the exterior shots of the Fleet enhances the sense of isolation and attempted hiding from the Empire.

timdiggerm said:

FVDnz said:

Actually, come to think of it, they were still in their ships, weren’t they? Maybe a backdrop of Sullust then…

The entirety of the Rebel rendezvous takes place on the Rebel Starcruiser. There’s no planet visible, and although Vader says they’re massing near Sullust, “near” in the grand scale of space can 100% mean that no planet, or even the star Sullust orbits (or maybe Sullust is the star), should appear. On the galactic scale, “near Earth” could mean somewhere beyond Pluto. The lack of any notable stars or planets in all of the exterior shots of the Fleet enhances the sense of isolation and attempted hiding from the Empire.

Thanks for the clarification…

Jedi122 said:

At the beginning of the movie, there’s a continuity error with two matte paintings that are meant to be the same hangar exterior, but from different angles.

https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/198/4k-swreturnjedi/full/4k-swreturnjedi-starwarsscreencaps.com-189.jpg?ssl=1

https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/198/4k-swreturnjedi/full/4k-swreturnjedi-starwarsscreencaps.com-224.jpg?ssl=1

See how there’s a hangar missing on the far right of the second shot that was in the first shot?

Never noticed that, wow keen eye.

I don’t recall if this was brought up before by Adywan or if anyone else suggested it already, but the first time we see the Emperor’s tower in an establishing shot, the following shot inside the Emperor’s throne room is from a pretty high angle, yet there is nothing but stars outside the window. There really should be a lot of Death Star surface shown out there, and in many other throne window shots there should be a horizon at the very least.

EDIT: POsted the wrong stuff

I’m back 😃

Feeling much better now ( well , apart from the past week where i’ve been laid up in bed with a nasty gastric virus.) Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

I’m back working on ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD. Getting a long quite nicely with the grading for ROTJ. I’ve juct completed the section where Leia meets Wicket, so that will give you some idea where i have got up to with that. It still shocks me just how dull and lifeless the 2020 blu-ray is. And it really has some shocking sections where the image has been completely bleached out, either with the colour grading that’s seemed to somehow remove most of the blues of the film or the fact that the grader decided that he would brighten the image up so much that it would blow out all the details, or just using crappy power windows to brighten sections of the image and losing all contrast.

Anyway, this is just a short one today. I will be posting a clip showing a new section of ROTJ:R’s colour grading later in the week, but for now here are some screenshots:

The 2020 Blu-Ray, for some unknown reason, removed the blue tint to not only the TIE fighters but also the Executor. These were blue in every version up until 2020.

With this one, the grader used a power window mask around Leia and Han in the 2020 edition, but didn’t properly track the movements so you get a moving mask with almost grey blacks. I replaced this with the 2011 blu-ray, with major clean up. Surprisingly , for the 2011 blu-ray, there’s a bit more detail in the shadows than the 2020 version.

And , one shot that took me forever to fix, is this one. What the hell has happened to all the colour in the 2020 edition? (The Gifs may take some time to load up, so be patient)

Nice to hear you’re on the mend. Thanks for a great update.

Really liking those pops of colour, especially that last shot. What a difference!

adywan said:

One of my favorite shots of Darth Vader. His powerful black suit standing out amongst the grey throne room, complimented by the red guards and lights on the elevator. His confident, strong walk, despite full awareness he’s disobeying the Emperor.

You made it even cooler looking. Thank you!

adywan said:

I’m back 😃

Feeling much better now ( well , apart from the past week where i’ve been laid up in bed with a nasty gastric virus.) Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

I’m back working on ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD. Getting a long quite nicely with the grading for ROTJ. I’ve juct completed the section where Leia meets Wicket, so that will give you some idea where i have got up to with that. It still shocks me just how dull and lifeless the 2020 blu-ray is. And it really has some shocking sections where the image has been completely bleached out, either with the colour grading that’s seemed to somehow remove most of the blues of the film or the fact that the grader decided that he would brighten the image up so much that it would blow out all the details, or just using crappy power windows to brighten sections of the image and losing all contrast.

Anyway, this is just a short one today. I will be posting a clip showing a new section of ROTJ:R’s colour grading later in the week, but for now here are some screenshots:

Absolutely amazing!
Im glad you’re feeling better ady!

Much Better than the Blu Ray! Fantastic! Looks EXACTLY as I remember it at the Edens 2 in Northbrook, IL at 12:01 AM May 25th 1983 on that fabulous curved cinemascope screen. It always baffled me how all the digital releases got the color so darn wrong.