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Yeah, I think it sounds excellent now! Very much in favor of using this in future ROTJ edits, whether Ady chooses to incorporate it or not.
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Perhaps this idea could be part of my ROTJ project, as one of two audio tracks. I like the last clip, though too wonder if there’s any way to improve it further.
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Perhaps this idea could be part of my ROTJ project, as one of two audio tracks. I like the last clip, though too wonder if there’s any way to improve it further.
Making the breathing a little louder might help camouflage the transition of the new line to the old.
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I’m trying to handle some of it, but I keep running into it sounding unnatural when I try to separate the different parts of Sir Ridley’s clip. Here’s one that incorporates the reverb and some additional fading/other items.
I’m not a big audio editor, so I suspect that it still sounds rough. It’s doable and a more talented editor can find better clips/equalization/reverb effects to make it work. I would suggest finding a clip where James Earl Jones says a drawn-out “mother” (probably from his Bible audiobook). One of the more audio-minded people here could really make this idea a reality for Adywan’s edit.
This fan-made Steven Universe spoof of the “I am your father!” scene replaces “father” with “mother”.
The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.
I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.
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I’ve been experimenting with trimming “I must obey my master!” while also incorporating Sir Ridley’s “Your mother once thought as you do” (albeit slowed-down). What prevented me from deleting “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side” was both Vader’s turn and making sure that Luke’s follow-up line made sense. The edit is a bit rough, but I’m sure Ady can do better working in the 5.1 mix.
Inspired by this I made a new version of the line. I slowed it down a bit and focused on getting a clearer sound, I think it sounds better than my previous attempt.
https://mega.nz/#!7Q12UKJI!_UQuW057Qspq4886JivrUaX-M4N1GCzNl0AdKrhL4R8
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That’s pretty damn good! I think the awkwardly quick “mother” line reading would play better if there was a little bit more of a pause afterward, too.
“Your mother … once thought as you do.”
Like he’s being somewhat reflective for a beat, you know?
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Inspired by this I made a new version of the line. I slowed it down a bit and focused on getting a clearer sound, I think it sounds better than my previous attempt.
https://mega.nz/#!7Q12UKJI!_UQuW057Qspq4886JivrUaX-M4N1GCzNl0AdKrhL4R8
The “Your mother” is missing that tinny undertone from the original part of the line and just overall doesn’t feel deep enough. Otherwise it does sound really clear and flows well into the the rest of the sentence.
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I like the improved version! I do agree that adding the tinny undertone and maybe a pause would help. I experimented with adding a pause when playing around the version seven clip and I liked the idea behind it.
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Listening to the “Your mother…” clips and from picturing how the ending for ROTJ:R will be shows how this edit shouldn’t just be about the technical stuff but also on what would give the story more depth.
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Listening to the “Your mother…” clips and from picturing how the ending for ROTJ:R will be shows how this edit shouldn’t just be about the technical stuff but on what would give the story more depth.
Exactly! I support changing the line to “Your mother…” for a variety of reasons.
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If we don’t acknowledge the Prequels, it gives Luke and Leia’s mother/Anakin’s wife more of a role in the story.
- It implies that Vader still thinks about her, which would give him both a sense of regret and reveal to the audience that there may be some love within him.
- The change also makes the difference between Obi-Wan and Luke’s stances towards Anakin/Vader more marked. It implies that Obi-Wan never thought Vader could be saved, which makes Luke’s achievement more remarkable.
- Vader’s tie to the light becomes more about love. He may have been like a brother to Obi-Wan, but he never loved his master in the same way he loved his son or the mother of his kids.
- One edit used “Padme…” instead of “Your mother…” for the line. I don’t like this nearly as much since the name “Padme” means nothing to Luke. He’s never learned his mother’s name, nor would a subsequent line clear it up.
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If we acknowledge the Prequels (say, Hal9000’s edits), it gets the movies to line up a little more.
- While finding information, I discovered a clip of James Arnold Taylor and Mat Lucas which shows Obi-Wan trying to save Anakin. It’s taken from the ROTS videogame. So, if somebody wants to put that in a prequel edit or a flashback in ROTJ, there you go.
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I like the improved version! I do agree that adding the tinny undertone and maybe a pause would help. I experimented with adding a pause when playing around the version seven clip and I liked the idea behind it.
Here’s a new version with a longer pause and more tinny effect on “your mother”.
https://mega.nz/#!7E1xWCzZ!ka8bcqGsxR6yEqknvjvLmHProTb8NqRo69ojG2jbweE
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- If we acknowledge the Prequels (say, Hal9000’s edits)
Even the official edits you know 😉
Btw well done Ridley, it sounds very natural. I’m sold on this idea now 😃
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While the latest version sounds pretty good, there’s no escaping that his reading of ‘mother’ is too fast for the scene. I did a search of all instances of the word ‘mother’ in the New Testament and came up with 92, some as the last word of a sentence. Surely there’s a slower reading in there?
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While the latest version sounds pretty good, there’s no escaping that his reading of ‘mother’ is too fast for the scene. I did a search of all instances of the word ‘mother’ in the New Testament and came up with 92, some as the last word of a sentence. Surely there’s a slower reading in there?
It’s based on pieces from his Bible reading (I don’t remember which part), and he reads quite quickly. I’ll see if I can drag it out a bit, the problem is that the sound quality gets worse if it’s stretched too much.
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New slower version. https://mega.nz/#!acsDjCYL!gQoGGPf4xwWMvGe1XKGMKi86g3KXklZmTP9uS-FTUE0
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I think this is starting to become an exercise in splitting of the finest of hairs. The first one was more than good enough, and iterations on it have all been minutely incremental improvements at best, if that. The fact it works as well as it does at all is pretty damned cool.
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Incremental improvements are often the difference between something that works for a fan edit and something that is completely seamless and looks/sounds like it always belonged.
And I do think the slower version is an improvement. It’s pretty close to seamless now, I think.
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True, but this is some Ant-Man quantum-realm fiddling, haha. But it’s also not like I’m the one in the lab cutting the stuff together either, so my two cents aren’t even worth that, I understand. Just wanted to put it out there that as someone who is very tuned to this sort of thing through consuming untold number of fan-derived projects, the first example posted in here would read as “seamless.”
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The latest version is great, although it needs more of the Vader robotic voice. Although maybe just being in context would help it fit a lot better. The one at the end of the last page wasn’t all that bad, maybe that helped it.
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True, but this is some Ant-Man quantum-realm fiddling, haha. But it’s also not like I’m the one in the lab cutting the stuff together either, so my two cents aren’t even worth that, I understand. Just wanted to put it out there that as someone who is very tuned to this sort of thing through consuming untold number of fan-derived projects, the first example posted in here would read as “seamless.”
Unfortunately, for the ones of us who are tuned in to this sort of thing, when it’s slightly off, it feels completely off.
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Sounds very good. I would drop the pitch of “do” more
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While the latest version sounds pretty good, there’s no escaping that his reading of ‘mother’ is too fast for the scene. I did a search of all instances of the word ‘mother’ in the New Testament and came up with 92, some as the last word of a sentence. Surely there’s a slower reading in there?
It’s based on pieces from his Bible reading (I don’t remember which part), and he reads quite quickly. I’ll see if I can drag it out a bit, the problem is that the sound quality gets worse if it’s stretched too much.
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New slower version. https://mega.nz/#!acsDjCYL!gQoGGPf4xwWMvGe1XKGMKi86g3KXklZmTP9uS-FTUE0
I think you’ve nailed it. Here’s it in movie form.
Also, here’s a bit of fun, courtesy of Conan the Barbarian.
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Incremental improvements are often the difference between something that works for a fan edit and something that is completely seamless and looks/sounds like it always belonged.
The painful truth.
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
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Incremental improvements are often the difference between something that works for a fan edit and something that is completely seamless and looks/sounds like it always belonged.
The painful truth.
That’s why I could only cut “I must obey my master,” since Vader turns. Cutting the scene with Vader facing away from Luke breaks the 180 rule.
The timing of the line works now, but the clip needs a bit of a push to get it to sound perfect. You’ve done a fantastic job thus far, Sir Ridley!
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While the latest version sounds pretty good, there’s no escaping that his reading of ‘mother’ is too fast for the scene. I did a search of all instances of the word ‘mother’ in the New Testament and came up with 92, some as the last word of a sentence. Surely there’s a slower reading in there?
It’s based on pieces from his Bible reading (I don’t remember which part), and he reads quite quickly. I’ll see if I can drag it out a bit, the problem is that the sound quality gets worse if it’s stretched too much.
Jedit:
New slower version. https://mega.nz/#!acsDjCYL!gQoGGPf4xwWMvGe1XKGMKi86g3KXklZmTP9uS-FTUE0I think you’ve nailed it. Here’s it in movie form.
It helps to hear it in context! It sounded a little muddled to me, so I had another go at it. I think this might be as good as it gets.
https://mega.nz/#!KdF02Y5Z!saAJQCl7-OERrGTC4YHJa8NWNVei6QnAxSDFuvbhSUs