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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 92

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MalàStrana said:

Sifo Dyas said:

Luke did not train between movies, because he would have been back on Dagobah, but he wasn’t.

He doesn’t train with Yoda, it doesn’t mean he didn’t train at all. Pretty sure Yoda’s training wasn’t about choking people or using mind tricks 😉

(has he found that in the jedi books we later see in TLJ ? Or a Sith holocron he got somewhere ? Who knows…)

Why wouldn’t he go back to Yoda, and train on his own for a year or more instead? Makes no sense.

Pretty sure? Why?
And even if Yoda doesn’t teach the mind trick, than maybe Obi-wan? He used it several times.
Pretty sure that it is much more difficult to learn anything on your own, than with help.

There is no idication that choking people is some special skill, that Jedi can’t learn, or it is forbidden to learn, more like just something the Jedi don’t use.

He has time to look for holocrons and whatnot, or going on adventures that he has actually a chance to stumble into one, but has no time to fly back to Dagobah, when the most important thing to do is free Han and learn to become a Jedi?
Makes no sense.

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Valheru_84 said:

In ROTJ Luke:

  • has had time to construct a new lightsaber (not likely an easy or quick task, especially considering there’s no one around to teach him).

He could have learned that on Dagobah. Actually that would be the most logical explanation.

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  • has learned far greater control of the force now and new abilities, one which he would have had to figure out on his own as Mala pointed out. He uses these effortlessly, including when he whips his lightsaber up into his hand from the Emperors chair.

He did that already in TESB when he fought Vader.

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  • has far greater control over his lightsaber, so much so that combined with his new focus with the force that he can consistently while under pressure deflect/reflect laser fire now.

He learned that on Dagobah when he trained against 4 or 5 of those training droids.

Valheru_84 said:

  • comes across from the get go as a changed person, one that is now calm, focused and confident in his control of each situation. He has matured and wisened in many ways, people clearly look to him for leadership now where before that was Han and Luke was the whiney young guy.

He is changed.
And it can be explained easily with what happened on Dagobah and on Bespin. That would change everybody.

Valheru_84 said:

… is it even known to any of the rebel characters where Han has been taken? I can’t recall a time in TESB where any of them would learn about this, so on top of the rebel forces needing to regroup and get themselves in order again after the evacuation from Hoth, the gang also had to try and find out which system, planet and group had Han after probably initially presuming the Empire to have him.

They know that Jabba has Han. Vader told that to Lando.
Finding where Jabba is, ain’t that difficult. I just looked up an earlier poster here:

“hire someone to negotiate my deal with Jabba, probably an old acquaintance, who can be trusted with this for the right amount of money, and merely provide escort as a ‘mercenary bodyguard’.
Contact Jabba’s nearest ‘representative’ and present an offer with one condition, that I only make deals with Jabba himself.
Make the offer irrefusable, success is guaranteed. You can always count on greed.
Now I have Jabba’s location, and free pass, and don’t have to travel around the galaxy planet to planet and infiltrate and etc…
When deal is completed, ask Jabba for a job. With good credentials Im in.
Call Luke.
How long does this takes?
Couple of days, a week maybe, depending on travel distance”

So basically nothing here suggests that months need to pass, yet alone a year or more.

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ray_afraid said:

For Lando to create a character, gain trust in Jabba’s crew and become “one of the boys” had to take same time. We’re talking about the galaxy’s greatest gansta’ leading the galaxy’s greatest gang. You don’t just walk into that place, buy the room a drink and get accepted.

But you do. See above.

ray_afraid said:
Luke has clearly advanced in skills. There’s certainly some time tied up there.

Not really. See above.

ray_afraid said:
The entire Rebellion has evaded the Empire, regrouped and found a temporary place to hide while also fining out about the new Death Star, examining the layout and finding a way to destroy it.

Just that group evaded the Empire, the others were elsewhere. But that is beside the point here.

There is no need to look for another place, since the normal method is to scout many places, so they had to have multiple options before decided to choose Hoth.
They merely need to relocate to the backup place, or next in line place.

Nobody knows when the bothans got the information, so it is possible that the Alliance leaders were already aware of the location of this second Death Star, and they were already analyzing and planning.

So actually nothing you said suggest that a great amount of time has to pass between the events at the end of the TESB and the beginning of ROTJ.

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I would suggest redoing the Tatooine desert background for the shots of Luke and Han talking with one another on the skiff. You can even see black and green lines from the green screen used as the background in the Blu-ray release.

Noah Lawson

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I’ve actually tinkered around with those shots in the past and they look absolutely fine if you just remove the green spill.

Gone fishing

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snooker said:

I’ve actually tinkered around with those shots in the past and they look absolutely fine if you just remove the green spill.

Adywan will probably also change the background too, as it doesn’t necessarily blend in well with the skiff. Very much how he changed some of the matte paintings in Echo Base for some shots.

Noah Lawson

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Amazing effort you put in Ady, as always!

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I think we owe Mrs. Adywan a huge amount of gratitude and a round of applause for allowing this in her dining room… My wife sure wouldn’t be so understanding!

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So has Adywan decided that both the blu-ray prequel trilogy and Disney Star Wars are “canon” and his versions of OT will be brought more in line with them?

If so, then we don’t need to explain training, the Force just “gives” skills, abilities, etc. to whoever needs them (light or dark) when the time is right. Touching a lightsaber is enough to make you proficient with it against a master who has trained for decades. People can cut themselves off from the force and not use it for ages and then whip out a deus ex machina. And the Jedi knowledge fits on a small shelf of a few leather bound books, all those holocrons in the EU and “books” in the Jedi Archives were mostly technical manuals and poetry, I guess. Plot contrivances, characters acting inconsistently (even droids), and absurd coincidences, are all just “the will of the Force,” now. Even poor memories and incessant lying can be hand-waved away in this manner, at least that’s what we were told when TFA came out.

<i>TCBOO</i>

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KurganX said:

So has Adywan decided that both the blu-ray prequel trilogy and Disney Star Wars are “canon” and his versions of OT will be brought more in line with them?

If so, then we don’t need to explain training, the Force just “gives” skills, abilities, etc. to whoever needs them (light or dark) when the time is right. Touching a lightsaber is enough to make you proficient with it against a master who has trained for decades. People can cut themselves off from the force and not use it for ages and then whip out a deus ex machina. And the Jedi knowledge fits on a small shelf of a few leather bound books, all those holocrons in the EU and “books” in the Jedi Archives were mostly technical manuals and poetry, I guess. Plot contrivances, characters acting inconsistently (even droids), and absurd coincidences, are all just “the will of the Force,” now. Even poor memories and incessant lying can be hand-waved away in this manner, at least that’s what we were told when TFA came out.

-.- the jump from proficient with a bow staff to okay with a lightsaber is more believable than the jump from a t-16 bush plane and the equivalent of a fighter jet. Against trained for decades tie pilots I might add…

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KurganX said:

So has Adywan decided that both the blu-ray prequel trilogy and Disney Star Wars are “canon” and his versions of OT will be brought more in line with them?

If so, then we don’t need to explain training, the Force just “gives” skills, abilities, etc. to whoever needs them (light or dark) when the time is right. Touching a lightsaber is enough to make you proficient with it against a master who has trained for decades. People can cut themselves off from the force and not use it for ages and then whip out a deus ex machina. And the Jedi knowledge fits on a small shelf of a few leather bound books, all those holocrons in the EU and “books” in the Jedi Archives were mostly technical manuals and poetry, I guess. Plot contrivances, characters acting inconsistently (even droids), and absurd coincidences, are all just “the will of the Force,” now. Even poor memories and incessant lying can be hand-waved away in this manner, at least that’s what we were told when TFA came out.

I hate TLJ myself and can no longer enjoy TFA as a result but where is ^ this coming from? What does it have to do with Ady’s edit or anything that has been said recently? Maybe if you quote a post or provide some context as to why you think Ady is shifting towards anything other than what he wants to do with his edit?

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Ady has said the entire time that only the OT is canon for his edits, and when he still planned to edit the PT it would have been altered to match the OT, not the other way around. And that he won’t be editing anything to fit the Disney films since there’s no guarantee a future film won’t contradict something he did as we learn more about the new canon - best to keep it all internally consistent with the OT itself, since that’s less likely to cause issues.

a trolling bantha

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Keep in mind he did keep X-Wing engines pink in ESB:R because they were in Rogue One, so these edits aren’t in a vacuum. Or at least the cosmetic changes aren’t.

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Maybe this isn’t the best place for random personal complaints?

Flippant “suggestions” aside, ady did alter the Falcon in ESB to match TFA. Besides small visual things like that, I’m not sure the PT or ST are relevant to his changes one way or another.

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My understanding is that Ady is free to incorporate things he likes from the new films, prequel films or animated series (the interior of the Falcon, Chopper’s cameo) but the films themselves aren’t “canon” to the Revisited Trilogy and he can and will contradict them if he feels that’s what’s best for his edits.

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It would take a lot less time to make a Prequel 3-in-1 Revisited Ep 1, Solo Revisited Ep 2 and Rogue One Revisited Ep 3 than it would be doing each prequel individually.

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If you assume/consider that Solo and Rogue One are better movies than Ep I, II or III, which is not the case (at least for me). Besides, Ady no longer wishes to alter the PT. I remember he talked about a “R1 personal edit”, not sure he did make it; for sure if he did, he didn’t share it for some reason.

“I have to say that I felt George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before, and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.” - James Cameron about Episode VII.

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Probably because it was a “personal edit”, i.e. for personal viewing only.

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I would be interested to know his cut/change-list though.

“I have to say that I felt George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before, and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.” - James Cameron about Episode VII.

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adywan said:

Say goodbye to the cockpit set 😦

Be honest Ady, when no one else was around, did you play around in the cockpit?