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Asteroid-Man said:

Sevb32, could you reword that? I didn't get what you meant.

Right before the "I'll never join you!" scene, Vader chops some metal pillars/cylinders/tubes and they fall off. The problem is, they were pre-cut (obviously), but they were held together with electrical tape, which is not hidden at all. But then, after he chops them, all that remains are dark charred stumps and the tape is magically gone. The issue is to get rid of the obvious electrical tape before the saber slices the pillars.

Here's a pic Darth Stewie posted:

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Vaderios did make a mock-up of it at some point, as he mentioned.

EDIT: Took too long to find that pic and the others have cleared it up already. Oh well. ;)

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Is anyone else feels that vader's saber should look more like in the second pic i posted? Just gathering thoughts.

It looks like more a cod rotoscope (thin) and not as a saber. maybe with that way it looks more like mace's saber attacking palps.


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I liked the idea of the lightsaber becoming shorter to the tip, but there was never really any consistency with that in the OT even in ANH. For the most part they seem to stay the same thickness all the way to the top. Adywan made them that way in Revisited so I think we should stick to that idea.

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Any updates Adywan? How's the wampa coming? Any progress on the falcon? Any pics as you go of this stuff? Peace....

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I'm sure Ady's pretty tired of being asked for updates. We'll get some when he's ready to. Have some patience - I'm sure he's hard at work.

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asterisk8 said:

Adywan, now that you're in your model-building phase, I thought I'd just drop this here since it gave me both a chuckle and a tear.

There would actually in truth be more physical models with the prequels. Each prequel had more physical models than the entire OT combined. But don't take my word for it, read the books and watch the docus.

 

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Bear in mind that every model in the left photograph with the sole exception of R2-D2 (which was physical where possible in the prequels) was composited in with blue/green screen just like the CGI in the prequels.

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God, this thread has turned into a mad house.

Ok, first things first. The cut-off period for your names in the credits was 12AM GMT today. I've added a note to the first page about this. I have had enough of people either PMing or emailing me saying things like " If i post in your thread does will my name be in the credits"  or " can i please have my name in the credits". Now these aren't even from members here at OT.com but from people that are just going to join to get their name in the credits. This isn''t going to happen. Anyone that joins now and posts will NOT be getting their name in the credits. I had to have a cut off point because the credits could become longer than the movie at this rate with things like this happening.

ok now that's out the way....

Asteroid-Man, loving the covers. A small critique though. The text on the back has very jagged edges. Did you copy and past this from the official DVD's and use some form of cut-out tool or apply a blending mode? I would suggest creating new text from scratch as this is the only thing letting these covers down.

i don't know why there has been so much negativity about the bar code on the back. i can take or leave bar codes on custom covers, it really doesn't bother me. Official DVDs have the bar codes so why not custom one. It does make them a little more authentic.

Now one thing i WONT tolerate in this thread is people slating someone who is genuinely trying to contribute something.  It really annoys me when people display a superiority complex. Just remember this .. there is always someone out there better than you. Constructive criticism is always welcome but down right rudeness WILL NOT!.Now i know that the recent negativity was all a misunderstanding directed at the wrong person but this is al something to think about for the future

Now there are some (and i'm not going to mention any names but you know who you are) that just seem to post without bothering listening to any help or suggestions that other are providing and it turns out to be the same garbage over and over again. Hell, even janskeet has begun to listen to what we have been saying to him and is off my ignore danger list. lol

Everyone has to start somewhere. Don't forget that when i started ANH:R i had never done any form of Fx work and had never touched After Effects. It's all a learning curve and i received a lot of negativity when i started , but i just brushed that aside because i have received that type of crap all my life. But not everyone is like that and when they get bashed for genuinely trying to do some thing they would just give up. I say don't. I say forget what others say unless its constructive criticism

EyeShotFirst, i like your poster. Yes, it does need some work, but the layout and idea is very good. A few suggestions...  I would definitely do something about Yodas hair. he looks like he's suffering from a bit of static there. lol. also use some feathering on the clouds to help the characters look like they are behind the clouds. Shrink R2 & 3PO a little and bring cloud city over so it isn't cut off one one side. I'm not sure if the moon really works. i think it would look better if it wasn't there. When constructing things like this you don't have to fill every bit of space on the page. Try it without anything where the moon is and cropping the top down a little.

Custom covers and posters are welcome in this thread as long as it is directly related to ESB:R.

Now can we please return this thread to some form of normality.

 

Back to what this thread is supposed to be about.

 

vaderios said:

Interesting enough Ady, you didnt mention the jump cut when the gun of falcon pops down when it turns and ofc the Obvious jump cut when the gun hits/explodes the snowtroopers...

 

By the way any change to open a bit the landscape of the dagobah? I know you like the close feel it has and i agree with you. Just only to eliminate the stage look and look more alien and natural in the long shots. Only subtle things( remember my mockups if you wish)


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Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be. 

Now the jump cut when the gun hits the troopers and the gun explodes is another matter. I'm not sure how the hell i can fix this because there are too many missing frames to be able to reconstruct them. I've been trying out a few tests for this shot and t just isn't working at the moment. It might end up being a smooth out rather than a general fix.

And dagobah, i prefer it the way it is. i don't feel that the landscape needs to be opened up at all as the enclosed look gives the planet a bit of eeriness and mystery.

vaderios said:

Something to mention in adding to the list:

When Chewie goes to see where is C3po after he blasted, we see to brake the step,


-Angel

Actually the step isn't breaking at all. I've been studying this and its just a shadow. If you look at the shot of chewie walking up the steps you'll see the shadowing is exactly the same.

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So no need for a fix here.

oh_riginal said:

I would just like to bring this one back up.

Ady, will you be adding any saber marks for this shot? I figure since Luke swings across the surface, rather than stabbing the door lock, that it seems logical to see where Luke's saber touched the surface. Thoughts?

 

Luke had cut the latch and there is no real place to add any burn marks. i may add a faint heat glow on each section of the latch but that's about it

thanks for the link Killbot but i refuse to pay that site for their pictures when they are uploaded by other members, many stole from other sites.

vaderios said:

Is anyone else feels that vader's saber should look more like in the second pic i posted? Just gathering thoughts.

It looks like more a cod rotoscope (thin) and not as a saber. maybe with that way it looks more like mace's saber attacking palps.


-Angel

no, i prefer the rounded end of the OT sabers. I hate the PT sabers. They'll all be changed in the PT:R

sans_fi said:

That new shot of GL really annoys me. There is not 1 physical model in that shot. Its all GC and it really does show how artificial the models can look. The argument about more models were used in the PT than the OT is total rubbish too and just some garbage that PT lovers try to use to defend the prequels. Models were used for the ships in the OT and full physical sets were built . The Pt was a lot of greescreen sets for which they build model sets or CG sets. Only TPM used any form of physical models for ships. AOTC & ROTS all the ships are CG.

no updates on the progress i'm afraid. there are a few things going on in my life at the moment, and my health isn't too good either, that is preventing me from starting on the models. Hopefully it won't be long before i can start though.

 

 

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adywan said:

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be. 

 

Now the jump cut when the gun hits the troopers and the gun explodes is another matter. I'm not sure how the hell i can fix this because there are too many missing frames to be able to reconstruct them. I've been trying out a few tests for this shot and t just isn't working at the moment. It might end up being a smooth out rather than a general fix.

 

And dagobah, i prefer it the way it is. i don't feel that the landscape needs to be opened up at all as the enclosed look gives the planet a bit of eeriness and mystery.

 

I prefer the rounded end of the OT sabers. I hate the PT sabers. They'll all be changed in the PT:R

 

There are a few things going on in my life at the moment, and my health isn't too good either, that is preventing me from starting on the models. Hopefully it won't be long before i can start though.

 

 

So any Taun taun treatment to smooth the turning?

 

Maybe add some more contrast or bigger explosion to cover/cheat the cut.

 

Your call your edit ;) i still prefer a bit more open landscape with less wall effect.

 

I like rounded too. The point was to make the saber a bit more fat/perespectively accurate to be more menacing and less like a simple rotoscoping. Your call again ;)

 

Take care Ady. I hope you get better

 

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Thank you for bringing the topic back to where it should be Ady, this thread was getting almost unreadable.

Sorry to hear you're not feeling well, hope you feel better soon. Maybe this will cheer you up, I showed my Uncle who's influence and love for Star Wars made me a fan from childhood, Revisited. He loved and it and agrees with most of us here on the forum that that's the way the Special Editions should have looked.

Thank you for all your hard work and effort, get well soon.

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fishmanlee said:

i was wondering (dont know if this is the right thread) if there should/could be differences in the sabers lazer sizes like broadsword size rapier size and so on

Seeing as in the OT the sabre fights are clearly between people who use similar weapons it might be more a PT edit idea so perhaps you could post it on the Prequel Radical Redux Thread.

With Maul's double ender being around in the prequel era I could imagine a few more variations being around back then but I can't see it happening in the OT especially not in ESB.

 

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adywan said:

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be.

Interesting! I always thought maybe it was stop-motion animated, for whatever reason there would be for doing such a thing. Is there a way of making it slower without actually making it slower, if you know what I mean?

As for the explosion immediately after, could some extra little explosion or something help to hide some of the hidden frames?

I also agree about the PT sabers. To me, there's a little too much sharp separation of white and color, and why would they have sharp tips like a real sword? They're just beams of energy. I dunno, I still think the ones in ESB are the best.

 

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Ripplin said:
adywan said:

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be.

Interesting! I always thought maybe it was stop-motion animated, for whatever reason there would be for doing such a thing. Is there a way of making it slower without actually making it slower, if you know what I mean?

I've already been able to fix it without having to slow it down.

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My thoughts on the meteor thing are the same as Adywan's: its the same event seen twice, not that that ever happens again.

 

The first time I saw it, in 1997, I though it was 2 different events, but hey I was 11 :p

 

I'm glad its settled though.

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Bingowings said:

Yay another victory!

Any thoughts on my Leia "Star Destroyer" dialogue point?

 

 I'd like to see something done with this also.  It is really the only thing that bugs me in the entire movie.

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adywan said:

Adventures on Hoth:

21. Flipping the shot of the saber cutting open the taun Taun because its hind legs are the wrong side of the frame.

 

Just checking out the updated list on page 1.  I think there's a problem in flipping the shot discussed above...

We see Han preparing to slice from (his) left to right, which is consistent in the following shot of the tauntaun's belly being cut.  However, if the shot gets flipped, the saber will be going from in the wrong direction on the next shot, no?

Unless you have a way of eliminating the saber from the shot ady, might I suggest that, if you still want to flip it, you simply zoom in to avoid seeing whatever it is we're seeing to the right of the frame?  (I'm assuming this is the tauntaun's leg, which I assume you're assuming as well, hence why you want to flip the shot in the first place).

Boy, that's a lot of assumptions...

Oh, and by the way, sorry to hear you're not doing well at the moment ady... I hope you feel better soon, and that it's nothing too serious.

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adywan said:

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be.

Interesting! I always thought maybe it was stop-motion animated, for whatever reason there would be for doing such a thing. Is there a way of making it slower without actually making it slower, if you know what I mean?

As for the explosion immediately after, could some extra little explosion or something help to hide some of the hidden frames?

I also agree about the PT sabers. To me, there's a little too much sharp separation of white and color, and why would they have sharp tips like a real sword? They're just beams of energy. I dunno, I still think the ones in ESB are the best.

 

 

that's one part i can't agree with the pt lightsabers are fine the way they are. the only thing that needs to be changed in windu's lightsaber color.

the ot lightsabers had to be re rotocoped because in each film, there was never any cosistency with the blades (anh having thin lightsaber, and rotj having fat sabers)

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Darth Piccolo said:
Ripplin said:
adywan said:

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be.

Interesting! I always thought maybe it was stop-motion animated, for whatever reason there would be for doing such a thing. Is there a way of making it slower without actually making it slower, if you know what I mean?

As for the explosion immediately after, could some extra little explosion or something help to hide some of the hidden frames?

I also agree about the PT sabers. To me, there's a little too much sharp separation of white and color, and why would they have sharp tips like a real sword? They're just beams of energy. I dunno, I still think the ones in ESB are the best.

that's one part i can't agree with the pt lightsabers are fine the way they are. the only thing that needs to be changed in windu's lightsaber color.

the ot lightsabers had to be re rotocoped because in each film, there was never any cosistency with the blades (anh having thin lightsaber, and rotj having fat sabers)

But lightsabers that are pointy on the end sometimes?  That at least needs to be fixed.


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