STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 907

Didn't know he was building an AT-AT! Ooooooo!

A quick question: is the bacta water/liquid supposed to be redder?  Not a biggie for me, but at least something to note:

Check out these 2 scenes on the youtube video: one at 16:20 and the other at 16:41.

The first scene has Luke inside the tube and it is clear for the most part (looks like there is a small red light in the bottom of the tank to light up the water).   The second scene where C3P0 speaks to Luke you can see the bacta tank behind C3P0 (on the right) and it is RED, and I mean solid red.  Is that the tank?  If so, is one or the other going to be changed so as to give it a more consistent color/look?

Another suggestion/idea.  Again, nothing big or necessary, but just putting it out there for thoughts: when the Taun-Taun falls down from the cold when Han finds Luke (at 13:50), the entire body falls in slow-motion due to the stop-motion aspect of the Taun-Taun model.  Would it be conceivable to speed up the 2nd half of the fall slightly to convey weight due to something that heavy falling (ie a gradual slight increase in falling speed, as the way it is now is continuous)?

And while not necessary, it would still be cool to see shadows under/around the snowspeeders during the search scene (at least at 16:11 on, as the sun is directly behind Zev's snowspeeder, which should cast a slight, fast-moving shadow).

Regardless, I like the enhancements to the cave entrance at 4:20 (you can now see the shield door and the hanger inside) as well as the snowspeeder control panel upgrade.  Can't wait until December!

An AT-AT? Wow. Ady, I don't want to discourage (not that it would mater)... but I sure hope you know what you're doing. I await December a little nervously.

doubleofive said:

Adywan won't be changing the crawl. It's fine the way it is.

There is no way i would ever change the crawl for the OT. Now the prequels are a different matter. They are going to have to be changed because of the way the movies are going to be changed. 

uyrnihssi said:

In empire when vader is in his meditation chamber and his helmet is being positioned in place you will notice a small glob of white glue at the top of the helmet that breaks free when the clamps release.

i will be fixing this

uyrnihssi said:

One other issue are the eyes of the tauntans in the special edition.....I wonder if it is possible to add more life to them.  Perhaps more blinking, and or movement.....they seem pretty lifeless at this point.

There isn't much that can be done with the eyes. I've done what i can but its really subtle. The head moves about so much in each shot its a nightmare to track the eyes to add anything to them

DF Shadow said:

Unless I missed it here's something I don't recall seeing too much talk about. The menus....at what point does AdY begin that process? Is is something he'll be doing last?

Any word or details on what the menus may look like this time out?

I don't start the menus until everything is completed. that includes the video, audio and any special features. The menus will look similar to the ANH:R ones as i want to keep a theme throughout the Revisited saga

doubleofive said:

muddyknees2000 said:

there'll be twice the menu's too...as i heard he wants to do 2-disc sets from here on out (hopefully ANH:R:HD will be done the same way)

That's not necessarily true. AVCHDs to my knowledge don't have menus, therefore the 720p version wouldn't have a menu. I doubt he would spend too much time making a menu for the DVD version of the film, maybe scene selection and subtitles. I'm sure the Bonus disc will be as fancy as the main disc of ANHR1.

I may not be doing an AVCHD. I want to keep the bitrate quite high for the HD version so i will probably be looking at a blu-ray version instead. I've tested AVCHDs on a few Blu-Ray players and  there are still compatibility issues, especially with some sony and panasonic players. Plus this way i should be able to have all the same style menus and i would be able to have the special features on the same disc too as the BTS doc would have been filmed in HD.

ImperialFighter said:

Awesome work on these adywan!  It's good to know 'ol Rogue Leader and his gang are nearer to running around like madmen for the replacement footage you need.

I can't recall where I came across this shot below, but I'm interested to know where your 2nd unit have decided to actually film their footage.

 

Plans are still being drawn up for this due to the delays in getting the costumes over there.

dphirschler said:

That snow is blue...

Not in the original photograph it isn't you only have to look at that pic to see just how oversaturated it is. The saturation has been boosted so much that the troopers look like they've all spend a week in a tanning bed.

corellian77 said:

Just watched the video on Facebook... the colours look great Ady.  Just a quick question: have (had) you considered adding shadows below the snowspeeders in some of the shots?  I forget if this has been asked before (potentially even by me), but it seems like we should be seeing some shadows at some points given the apparent direction of the light and the speeders' proximity to the ground.

I'm not a great lover of adding fake shadows. It's soemthing that always sticks out like a sore thumb to me.  There is only a couple of shots where you would see a shadow anyway ( if you look at the ones with shadows the speeder is always pretty close to the ground before it casts a shadow) so i'll probably leave the shadows out.

DMaarten said:

Is it just me or does the lightsabre at 9.38 ignite 2 times accoring to the sound? That can't be right, can it?

It was always this way until the special edition came out, and as i'm using the theatrical audio for the temp track the mistake was there.

The Golden Idol said:

DMaarten said:

Is it just me or does the lightsabre at 9.38 ignite 2 times accoring to the sound? That can't be right, can it?

 This.

Also, at around 8:55 in the video, the shot of the empty cave (the pre-SE shot) brightly flickers at the bottom of the frame right before it cuts back to Luke hanging upside down. BTW, how did you manage to get a pre-SE shot that matches the HD quality of the rest of the footage?

 Looks great, Ady!

 

It's a shot that was taken from the GOUT and as it won't even feature in the final edit its isn't something i'm bothered about.

Monroville said:

A quick question: is the bacta water/liquid supposed to be redder?  Not a biggie for me, but at least something to note:

Check out these 2 scenes on the youtube video: one at 16:20 and the other at 16:41.

The first scene has Luke inside the tube and it is clear for the most part (looks like there is a small red light in the bottom of the tank to light up the water).   The second scene where C3P0 speaks to Luke you can see the bacta tank behind C3P0 (on the right) and it is RED, and I mean solid red.  Is that the tank?  If so, is one or the other going to be changed so as to give it a more consistent color/look?

Another suggestion/idea.  Again, nothing big or necessary, but just putting it out there for thoughts: when the Taun-Taun falls down from the cold when Han finds Luke (at 13:50), the entire body falls in slow-motion due to the stop-motion aspect of the Taun-Taun model.  Would it be conceivable to speed up the 2nd half of the fall slightly to convey weight due to something that heavy falling (ie a gradual slight increase in falling speed, as the way it is now is continuous)?

The bacta tank has been slightly tinted red when Luke is in it. Colouring it any more and it just looks unnatural. The tank was always red, with the illumination coming from a red light underneath the tanks base. When they filmed the scene however they wanted the room to be illuminated by the tank so the added a strong light above the tank which unfortunately bleached out the red illumination.

I did try a few enhancements to the dying taun taun but the results made the creature look even more fake. In the end i just decided to stick with adding some motion blur and smoothing out the animation

timdiggerm said:

An AT-AT? Wow. Ady, I don't want to discourage (not that it would mater)... but I sure hope you know what you're doing. I await December a little nervously.

lol. Don't get too worried about the AT-AT. it's only a model kit that i'm building and slightly modifying to make it more screen accurate. It's only going to be used to replace the badly composited AT-AT's & missing ones we see through the front of the speeder cockpit windows. It only took me a few hours to build and will take another couple of days to modify, so no biggie ;)

I too think that an AVCHD compromise of just the movie is a good idea. You can keep the bonus features exclusive to the Blu, much like how the extra bonus official disc will be in the full saga set and the DVD9 was the only one with bonus features for ANHR.

I'm thinking:

Blu-ray disc with movie/menu/special features
AVCHD with movie only
DVD9 with movie/menu only
DVD5 with movie/menu only

And maybe an SD version of the special features on a separate DVD5? I like the idea of having it available in all sizes for easier access. Thankfully the film itself will be the same cut in each version, as people still don't know that the XVID of ANHR isn't 100% finished, but since it is the smallest file size, more people have watched it.

The main problem with so many different formats is, not only having to upload all of them but also  keeping them all available. If you think about it then this is the amount of different versions i would have to make:

Blu-Ray with special features
AVCHD with movie only
PAL DVD-9 with movie/menu only
NTSC DVD-9 with movie/menu only
PAL DVD-5 with movie/menu only
NTSC DVD-5 with movie/menu only
PAL Special features bonus disc
NTSC Special features bonus disc

Then people will complain that there isn't a 720p mkv then an XVID

I might not even do a Blu-Ray version yet. I won't know until i have finished the video and i start the encoding process. If i can fit the 720p onto a BD-9 without losing any quality then i will, if not then the next option would be a high bitrate mkv. I don't want to get flooded with emails like i have done in the past because their machine can't play the AVCHD, but they want the HD version. I just want to be able to get this edit finished and get it out there. then just walk away from it all for a while. I've been working on Revisited since 2006 without a break and it's started to take over my life, so i want a good long break away from anything  to do with editing before i start ROTJ:R

adywan said:

Blu-Ray with special features
AVCHD with movie only
PAL DVD-9 with movie/menu only
NTSC DVD-9 with movie/menu only
PAL DVD-5 with movie/menu only
NTSC DVD-5 with movie/menu only
PAL Special features bonus disc
NTSC Special features bonus disc

Personally I'll just have my copy on my iTunes movie list ;-) which was ripped from the DVD 5

As great as a Blu-Ray disc sounds I don't really know too many people with Blu-Ray burners.  In fact, I doubt that I know any, so maybe that version could wait a few years till the entire trilogy is done.  I'm sure we'd all be happy with the regular DVDs and an mkv file for the 720p version.

I just rewatched my DVD5 version of ANH:R on a bluray player connected to an HD projector last night with my dad, and the quality was so good he couldn't believe it wasn't a bluray disc.  I'm just sayin. 

dark_jedi said:

I have a BD Burner, I vote for Blu-ray, we should be past AVCHD's by now LOL.

TV's Frink said:

...but please do an AVCHD.  There are so many of us with blu-ray players who don't have blu burners.  If nothing else, at least consider an AVCHD version without a menu, like your other AVCHD's.

 Keep in mind that you can always download Handbrake 0.9.5 and just create either an MP4 or a MKV out of the blu-ray file that Ady produces (so there is no real need for him to create 6 or 60 different versions of EMPIRE:R).  Sure, it may take anywhere from 8 to 12 hours to remux, but it would keep things simple on both ends (hell, I'm currently remuxing a 17gb 1080i TS file of the original theatrical SUPERMAN 2 into a 6.5gb 720p MKV right now).

Ady: thanks for the reply.  My main thing is just how RED the tank is behind C3P0 (and Chainsaw and Frink?  I don't buy the "not in use" bit.  The thing goes from slightly colored water to cherry jello)... if there was just some more consistency between the 2 shots (as best as it could be done), that would be fantastic (even if it meant making the tank behind C3P0 more clear like how it looks when Luke is in it).

Here are the scenes in question (for other viewers):





Here is an alternate take (a bit more magenta than red, but you get the idea, as the bacta liquid is supposed to be thicker than water):



On the Taun-Taun issue: understood, as it would take a good month or more of work to tweak the fall to make it look right (or more, as it could just be effort than what it's worth).  While it may look like its falling in slow-motion, at least that is the original way it was shot. 

Also, I can understand if more blinks and ear twitches (like a horse) aren't working.  I think if there was anything that could add more life to them, it would be figuring a way to make the eyes move to the left and right.

Not sporadically, but like when the Taun-Taun is hit with the Wampa hand, or when Han gets on his when riding out to find Luke - in both cases, the puppet eyes are looking straight ahead with that dead doll eye look. 

Again, not sure if anything can be done [be it those particular scenes or ones where the Taun-Taun isn't moving as much] but an idea none-the-less.

My votes for bluray!