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How about something like this?

Siliconmaster482 said:

Octorox said:

Iv'e always hated Palp's transformation in Ep III. I'd prefer to think the disfigurement came through the years of artificially prolonging his life using the Dark side of the force. I wish Palp could have just have looked like himself (pre-transformation) but paler and with sith eyes that flare up at times throughout EpIII. A slow transformation through the Dark side makes more sense than instant disfigurement.

 

My thoughts on that were that due to his increased Dark Side usage in the prequels, Palpy was already beginning to look older and creepier, as seen in the numerous Darth Sideous holograms. I know he was cloaked, but he still seemed older and uglier than "Senator" and "Chancellor" Palatine did. I thought he might have been using the force to disguise his features. When zapped by his own lightning, he said, oh, here's a nice excuse to look evil like normal. Also, this might further explain the "I can't hold it anymore..." line. It could refer to his lightning, but it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Why would he hold his attack if it were crippling him? Would it not make more sense that he were losing his disguise? Note that he also does not seem very concerned that he looks creepy. Without even looking in a mirror he draws up his cloak to hide his disfigurements, suggesting he already knows what he looks like.

 

Anyways, ontopic, I like the droid gag idea. :P Would be something fun to look for while watching the original trilogy.

Yep...that's the way I've always seen it. I think I gave a big explanation on that theory on another thread somewhere here. I mean, the guy has just been frazzeld big time, but does it hurt him? No..Does he really give a shit? No. He just gets up as if it has all gone to plan. Also, if he was just disfigured due to the lightning, I doubt his face would have been so symmetrical looking.

My take on it was that he was using the force to disguise his true face. Using all that power in the lightning was draining the power to disguise himself. Once his plan was in motion, there was no need to look like kind, friendly old Palps he could just use the excuse that the Jedi disfigured and scarred him. Just more bullcrap to help his move to become Emperor

ooops...stupid wireless Sky crap connection...Double post

Oh and does everyone else see the green and red text above?   Goddam shitty, shitty sky!!!!!!

Seems like the logical thing would be to replace Zuck-1B with the super battle droid someone mentioned. I like the idea of a broken battle droid cameoing in each film in the OT, as a sort of running gag, especially given there's a reasonable place for it to happen.

Recurring Battle Droid cameos?  Brilliant idea.

HotRod said:

Oh and does everyone else see the green and red text above?

Yep. Looks strange. So is this Sky a satellite internet connection or something? One of my friend's whop lives well out of town has that, since cable internet is currently impossible to have out there and they can't get DSL either, for whatever reason. Anyway, it's awful. :p Very inconsistent and unreliable, from what I've heard. (and seen a bit, too)

Anywho, I'm sure Ady will be doing something with that incinerator scene and I think it would be fun if he kept it a complete secret! ;)

ady, i don't know if this has been mentioned before but if possible i'd love to see some signs of re-entry burn through luke's viewport as he plummets into degobah's atmosphere

focusspiller

that just looks so much better than the white IG88

on palpatines disfigurement, the ROTS novel certainly gave me the impression that he was masking himself

it's just a shame the makeup was so unrealistic - should have been much more subtle

i think in the end we will get a truely awesome revisited OT

the PT?  well you can pollish a turd - but it will still be a turd

it's going to take something godlike to bring them into the same ballpark as the OT:R

I was digging through T-bon'e Star Wars Universe and was just reading his review of the 2004 DVDs.  He never mentions the bad colors (he believed they were deliberate changes), but I did find this part very interesting:

Right before the DVDs were released, I received a message from a friend who’s in the industry asking if I’ve seen the bad rendering of R2-D2 in Episode V. I really didn’t have any idea what he meant but he sent me a few pictures to compare the shots. I did and to be frank, I don’t really see anything all that upsetting. He seemed to be really upset about the big eye in particular.

Here's what he had to say:

What we are seeing here, is what appears to be a horrible re-rendering job of R2-D2. What I mean by this, is that they took the actual R2-D2 from the scene (that didn't have any 'blue' in it because it would have disappeared into the blue screen effects work) and placed CGI rendered 'blue pieces' over the originals to change the color of him from black to blue. What has incompetently occurred here is two serious flaws.

The first is the obvious poor rendering of R2's 'EYE' (the view port in the head that Kenny Baker could see out of) that is the square-ish panel on the front with a rounded lens in the center of it. What you will see, is how this horribly rendered replacement view port recreates R2's lens in an absolutely ridiculous and flawed way. Instead of being the right size, it is roughly 35% smaller and has the extra space around the lens made up with blue coloring. Just do a quick comparison between R2 in ANY other shot in the saga and you will see how HORRIBLE this looks and how poorly executed this change was.

Secondly, you will also notice in the same shot, that the side blue panels on R2 now also have an overlay of 'blue' to cover the original 'black' panels. These are just below the 'eye' and go around his head. The problem here is that by the end of the shot, R2 is moving his head back and forth, but the blue overlays move at a different speed to the rest of his head! So instead of a quick fine tuning that the effects element and rendering could have had, they sloppily just threw this overlay on, and didn't make any effort to perfect this effects shot.

In general, this is a horrible rendering job, and another embarrassment that no filmmaker should ever let get out. This DVD set was rushed, and the flaws of the rush are evident; especially the incompetent and inconsistent sound mix on A New Hope including the reversed music channels in the surrounds.

After looking at it for a while, I do see what he means but since my eye wasn’t looking for it, I didn’t notice it. The dark inset part of the eye is a bit small. Click on the image to the right for a nice comparison of all three versions of the shot in question. The top shot is from the new DVD set, the bottom left is from the original release (note the black panels on R2), and the bottom right is the 1997 Special Edition version. Looking at them all together it does seem they went a little overboard with the blue for the DVD release. Personally, I still don’t think this shot looks that bad but my friend was pretty adamant that it didn’t look so hot so I’d be remiss not to mention it. I mean, this is really nit picky stuff, after all. He’s a good guy and very professional so I’m sure his complaint is valid. I think he’s an R2-D2 fan so of course he’s a little biased. The set may have been rushed but it's OK for a set to hold us over until...whenever.

Here is the comparison:

I think I've noticed the drift before and this shot has R2's panels way more blue than the others, but CG panels when the 1997 version looks just fine?  What do you think?  Are they CG panels or just a product of the higher resolution?

And to bring it back to the revelency of the thread, how should Ady handle this?

satanika said:

Here's one (tiny) thing that's always bothered me... (Not sure if it's been mentioned, if so, sorry :) )



It looks like one of the claws of the Tauntaun model broke off... Makes it look a bit fake.

It's actually the webbed part between it's claws. So doesn't need fixing

ben_danger said:

 

maybe another battledroid reference could be added?

Sluggo said:

seven said:

We first see IG-88 here in the bounty hunter scene.

 

In the book "Tales of a Bounty Hunter" Boba Fett 'killed' IG-88 and he wound up here in the junk pile (next to the furnace). But for continuity, his color will have to be changed to match.

 

Ady's not gonna make a change based on an EU book. The book should have matched the movie.

I have said before that the EU does not exist to me and there will be nothing changed or added because it has been referenced in anything outside of the movies. There are many protocol droids that look just like 3PO and are different colours so there is bound to be other versions of IG-88. Also there will be no PT droids anywhere in ESB:R. The reference was there in ANH:R because it was a nod to link the two trilogies. There doesn't need to be any more in the other movies.

R5D4 fan said:

Not for nothing, but there's a music bridge that was in the 1980 version that was "improved" for the revisions. It's right when Yoda pulls the X-wing out of the swamp and answers Luke's scepticism with "That is why you fail..." Then there's the shot of the shuttle going to Vader's ship and Captain Needa hitting the floor. The original bridge was less busy, minus the blaring horns.........

Adywan, will you be using the original or the new "special edition" version?

Thanks

Joe

The pre-SE version was a horrible cut to a different secton of the music. For the SE it was returned to the way it was originally recorded (and was on the soundtracks LPs) and IMHO sounds 100% better, so the SE version will be staying.

Ripplin said:

Taken from the 35mm thread, this is a still from the Vintage Edit, but is present in the other examples as well:

Very crooked saber there, Luke. :p

Yeh, all crooked sabers will be fixed.

gavin77 said:

Just one unpopular post for those of us who actually really like the PT......go PT go.....great movies!!!

God, you're really gonna hate me when i get to the PT. I'm going to be ripping those movies to shreds, beyond all recognition. lol

doubleofive said:

I was digging through T-bon'e Star Wars Universe and was just reading his review of the 2004 DVDs. He never mentions the bad colors (he believed they were deliberate changes), but I did find this part very interesting:

Right before the DVDs were released, I received a message from a friend who’s in the industry asking if I’ve seen the bad rendering of R2-D2 in Episode V. I really didn’t have any idea what he meant but he sent me a few pictures to compare the shots. I did and to be frank, I don’t really see anything all that upsetting. He seemed to be really upset about the big eye in particular.

Here's what he had to say:

What we are seeing here, is what appears to be a horrible re-rendering job of R2-D2. What I mean by this, is that they took the actual R2-D2 from the scene (that didn't have any 'blue' in it because it would have disappeared into the blue screen effects work) and placed CGI rendered 'blue pieces' over the originals to change the color of him from black to blue. What has incompetently occurred here is two serious flaws.

The first is the obvious poor rendering of R2's 'EYE' (the view port in the head that Kenny Baker could see out of) that is the square-ish panel on the front with a rounded lens in the center of it. What you will see, is how this horribly rendered replacement view port recreates R2's lens in an absolutely ridiculous and flawed way. Instead of being the right size, it is roughly 35% smaller and has the extra space around the lens made up with blue coloring. Just do a quick comparison between R2 in ANY other shot in the saga and you will see how HORRIBLE this looks and how poorly executed this change was.

Secondly, you will also notice in the same shot, that the side blue panels on R2 now also have an overlay of 'blue' to cover the original 'black' panels. These are just below the 'eye' and go around his head. The problem here is that by the end of the shot, R2 is moving his head back and forth, but the blue overlays move at a different speed to the rest of his head! So instead of a quick fine tuning that the effects element and rendering could have had, they sloppily just threw this overlay on, and didn't make any effort to perfect this effects shot.

In general, this is a horrible rendering job, and another embarrassment that no filmmaker should ever let get out. This DVD set was rushed, and the flaws of the rush are evident; especially the incompetent and inconsistent sound mix on A New Hope including the reversed music channels in the surrounds.

After looking at it for a while, I do see what he means but since my eye wasn’t looking for it, I didn’t notice it. The dark inset part of the eye is a bit small. Click on the image to the right for a nice comparison of all three versions of the shot in question. The top shot is from the new DVD set, the bottom left is from the original release (note the black panels on R2), and the bottom right is the 1997 Special Edition version. Looking at them all together it does seem they went a little overboard with the blue for the DVD release. Personally, I still don’t think this shot looks that bad but my friend was pretty adamant that it didn’t look so hot so I’d be remiss not to mention it. I mean, this is really nit picky stuff, after all. He’s a good guy and very professional so I’m sure his complaint is valid. I think he’s an R2-D2 fan so of course he’s a little biased. The set may have been rushed but it's OK for a set to hold us over until...whenever.

Here is the comparison:

I think I've noticed the drift before and this shot has R2's panels way more blue than the others, but CG panels when the 1997 version looks just fine? What do you think? Are they CG panels or just a product of the higher resolution?

And to bring it back to the revelency of the thread, how should Ady handle this?

Only that shot and 1 other looks fine in the '97 version (and in the 2004 version but heavily saturated). That comparison shot is very misleading because the 2004 shot is from a different section where the colouring is really bad. If they had put the correct shot in there for the 2004 version then it would ahve looked almost the same as the '97 versionthey overdid the rest of the shots and there are times that you can see the new colour overlay doesn't line up correctly. Its going to eb a bugger to fix but it the colouring needs taking back a lot.

ben_danger said:

personally i think a small battledroid reference would be fun, but perhaps kurgan has a point. does ady plan to do a purist/non purist version again? it could be something that features in one and not the other.

There will be no Purist edition