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GhostAlpha26 said:

I just watched the GoodMusician and I didnt think it was that good

Thanks...

lol

You guys are so strange.... far too strange...

I mean, no offence meant, but I am in charge of the worlds largest Jurassic Park encyclopedia and fan base. We run things very different there...

A comment like that... where someone simply states that ... we consider to be flaming or spamming.

Why? Becuase it invites comments like mine... and it eventually fills the thread with non-neccesary miscomunication and posts.

Why not simply say "I don't like thsomething because" and that enables people to have CIVILIZED and ARTICULATE debates... and... seeing as the subject has past, one might wonder what would warrent the comment to even be posted atall.

But... all that having been said... I simply did what I did. It wasn't meant to be better or worse. It simply was. It was an attempt to show an alternate means of editing the sequence. A way to hybridize what we see in both versions, while staying cannonical... I know most of you coudln't give two shits about the prequels, but frankly I do. I find them not only a neccesary aspect of the saga, but unmistakeable and undenyable.

As much as we Jurassic Park fans disagree on the sense and intelligence of Jurassic Park 3, it IS undeniable AND a part of the story. It may not have been anticipated before the original, it may not have been written or filmed before the original... but none the less, the changes the series, and paints the story in a different light.

Personally, I want to see Adywan work on the Prequels. I consider his work on the OT a means to correct and streamline as well as articulate the originals so that when he HOPEFULLY goes to the prequels, he can have a free-er range of movement of editing. Certain things cut... but not too many things. The one needing the most would be Episode II... but none the less, I believe it would be near sighted, ignorant, and fool hearty to assume that the prequels are trash and to treat them as non-cannon. I think you would loose a lot.

So... that having been said... Iw ill continue to offer my services as need may be

I value all well constructed thought. I don't, however, value opinion. Opinions change too easily.

Thoughts, by their nature, are based in reason and have well constructed explanations. That's all I mean.

I value Ady's edit... I don't agree with it... but I understand it.

yes i will be doing the prequels GoodMusician. Actually i can't wait to get my hands on them. In my personal opinion i think that TPM needs the most done to it. I remember being so excited about seeing that movie but when i stepped out of the cinema after seeing it, i can remember feeling weird. There was something so wrong with that movie. It just didn't feel like Star Wars. I didn't get that with the other 2 although i did cringe at some scenes and dialogue and felt like ROTS was so rushed at the end, but i really enjoyed watching those movies. I don't think that the lightsaber duel between Dooku & Yoda worked though. I think we shouldn't have seen him use a lightsaber until ROTS. I love the part when the troopers approach him from behind and he cuts them down on kashyyyk. Can you imagine how powerful that scene would have been if that was the first time we saw Yoda use a lightsabre? I do like the PT but they just don't stand up to the OT.

When it came to the 2004 DVD set i hated the new additions along with the horrible colouring of course. I never minded a lot of the SE additions but only things that didn't change characters or story. Greedo shooting first in the SE, the Rontos slapstick & walking in front of the camera in mos eisley, the new Emperors dialogue in 2004, The shuttle scenes at the end of ESB and in Jedi the addition of "Jedi Rocks" in '97, Hayden & the "weesa free" line in 2004. I always wanted to return the Emperor scene in ESB to as close to the original as possible back when i started the ANH:R thread. I'm with the belief that you shouldn't have to change lines and situations in the OT to fit in with what we know from the PT. It should be the other way around. The Emperor scene never needed to be changed, apart from adding Ian as the Emperor. It worked for 24 years without any problems, even with the PT. The whole conversation about the twins mother in ROTJ with Leia remembering her mother is one thing that I'll be fixing in the PT. I know exactly how i will be doing that but you'll have to wait a few years to find out. If only a decent transfer of TPM with a CG yoda would become available i would be working on them alongside the OT:R projects, but that's looking less likely every year now. I really don't want to have to work on TPM the state it in, even with the HD transfer, but without that i can't do the other 2 as TPM would be setting up events for 2 & 3.

i value everyones opinion and input and i will never agree with everything that is put in front of me. no one could ever say they would go along with everything that was put forward when doing an edit. Just because i don't like something doesn't make it good or bad. it just means that it doesn't go along with my vision, but could be very useful for someone else's edit.

Keep the ideas flowing guys. :)

Now onto some more colour issues with the 2004 set.

Heres another example of just how much they screwed up ESB. They have brightened it up so much in places that a hell of a lot of detail has been lost. Just look how bright the 2004 shots are. In the first one Hand jacket should be blue and both shots have a pink tint to them and are just too bright compared to the other shots in the whole scene. Look at 3PO in the second shot. he's almost white reflection detail has been lost due to brightness.

Now this one shot took me ages to do. But the colouring has been restored in 3PO & Han's jacket and the brightness of the shot now matches the rest of the scene. Wasn't an easy task but it was worth it, i think.

yup... even on the list ;-)

And I do understand everything your saying Ady... I pray you will bring peace to the republic... I mean fans lol..

I just find the crass and ...how shall I put this... harsh attitude of a lot of the people here to be... counter productive.

I actually have been toying with what you did Ady... I still don't quite like it, but I did take an idea you had and use it in mine... I also have taken the liberty to change something else..

A New Version

I don't think this is neccesarily better ,but it shows some ideas...

The link doesn't work GoodMusician.

GoodMusician said:

I value Ady's edit... I don't agree with it... but I understand it.

All the more commendable that you're willing to contribute to the project. For the greater good! ;) Personally, I don't mind these edits, because I know the originals are being restored as best as we're able, too. If they weren't, then I'd be concerned. Though I can't speak for him, I wouldn't be surprised if Ady has had similar lines of thought.

try it again, you may have tried it before it in the last moments before it finished uploading

I don't entirly like my new edit, but I think it's kinda like... a meeting place of yours and mine... on top of that, I decided to try something that was floating around in my head musically speaking... I don't really think it 100% fits...BUT... perhaps with more mixing, it might work better... this video lacks a bit of SFX as well as the music not being 100% mixed right so take that into account.

I think Ady's way is best for his edit (imagine that), but I love seeing all of the different ways it could be done, which is why I suggested GM to do this.  And like Ady said, there are a lot of great ideas for other edits here.  It'll be interesting to see what else we spawn around here.

well i just watched it i didn't like the new conversation. My reasons are that the line "this boy , young Skywalker" doesn't sound right (doesn't fit together naturaly) and Vader agains mentions that he's just a boy (repetition that isn't needed IMHO). But i really loved the addition of the Emperors theme and that extra bit where vader bows then rises his head really works. Love it. But i feel that the end music is a bit too dramatic. i am warming to the interruption though, but i really do want to go with the closest possible way of returning the conversation to its original lines

I guess the issues I've had are a bit performance wise.

The timing between "There is a great disturbance in the force" and "I have felt it" and again back to "We have a new enemy" are huge... massive... of course, in your edit Ady, being PAL, the pacing seems better...

But in NTSC... the timing is gigantic... it always seems so... "I'm not paying attention"... that's the only issue I really had... I know it sounds fine to you... but in NTSC... its a bit long..

Then we also have the issue of the Emperor being seen but his "theme" not being heard. I thought about maybe finding some low instrumental part and having it layered under the original music but I had no luck... I might keep looking but that was why I changed the music too... perhaps haphazardly... just to raise that eyebrow...

The ended I edited in because the idea of maybe showing Palpatine on Coruscant was mentioned... and I thought it would be rather poetic to have vader bow.. look back up... and the emperor still there... watching... then have his image fade out only to see him still staring forward in his char on Coruscant...

As if the conversation had concearned him... and that he sensed something in Vader... and in how Vader spoke... but not enough to truly cause him worry as he had more important things to work on... Luke...

I'll keep toying with it. I'm warming up to your edit as I see it's not that far gone from mine...

GoodMusician said:

 

The timing between "There is a great disturbance in the force" and "I have felt it" and again back to "We have a new enemy" are huge... massive... of course, in your edit Ady, being PAL, the pacing seems better...

 

But in NTSC... the timing is gigantic... it always seems so... "I'm not paying attention"... that's the only issue I really had... I know it sounds fine to you... but in NTSC... its a bit long..

yeh, but don't forget that it was only a test of what could be done using the original lines. it was put together in a few minutes and i did say it was rough. I won't be doing any proper work on the audio until the video side of things is complete, so i didn't want to waste any time on the audio  so the timing isn't how it would be in the finished edit

adywan said:

i value everyones opinion and input and i will never agree with everything that is put in front of me. no one could ever say they would go along with everything that was put forward when doing an edit. Just because i don't like something doesn't make it good or bad. it just means that it doesn't go along with my vision, but could be very useful for someone else's edit.

 

Or useful for TESB: Purist Edition.  ;-)

Sevb32 said:

So there will be no Jabba's palace music number, or you will be reverting back to Lapti Nek with the static Sy Snootles puppet?

I think the best way to do that would be like what ADigitalMan did - 04 visuals re-cut and re-synced to Lapti Nek.  Maybe lose some of the 04 band characters...which ones, that's a judgment call.

Ziz said:

adywan said:

i value everyones opinion and input and i will never agree with everything that is put in front of me. no one could ever say they would go along with everything that was put forward when doing an edit. Just because i don't like something doesn't make it good or bad. it just means that it doesn't go along with my vision, but could be very useful for someone else's edit.

 

 

Or useful for TESB: Purist Edition.  ;-)

Speaking of the PURIST edition, I've noticed that if Ady were to make one for this edit it would have all of the SE changes back in, since most of the major changes to this movie are actually back to the original versions.  I guess we couldn't call it "purist" for this one...  "Revisionist" maybe?

doubleofive said:

 

That's what I'm saying!  Obi-Wan is tiny!  I've always found his close-ups funny in this scene because I'm imagining them zooming in on a tiny Alec Guiness!

After thinking about it, I'm guessing they had him tiny so that they could have this shot:

which is cool, but weird if Obi-Wan is standing 15 feet behind Yoda and impossible if Obi-Wan is just made larger.

Alright, back to mini-Obi-Wan for a second.  I think this shot could work if we go for the "Obi-Wan is standing really far away from everyone".  Yoda would have to be out of focus while Obi-Wan is talking, then as he is vanishing Yoda would come into focus, rack focus style.  If focuspuller on the boards is really a focus puller, he could tell us more about it.

Well, I've tried toying with the edit... Since it doesn't cut away to Vader saying "I have felt it," you might find it difficult to cut some of the extra seconds without getting odd interruptions in the visuals.. but I suppose you've fixed worse things... unless of course you plan to cut away for 3 seconds heh...

You seem to assume that I don't realize that everything you've shown so far is a rough edit.... I do realize this. But what I didn't think you had realized is what I'm saying which is that in NTSC the timing is quite bad... as long as that issue is fixed, I'd be fine with that line.

perhaps we should reserve that for the ROTJ thread heh

Just watched the second Emperor scene you've done, GM, and I love it too. Radically different take on it, lots of fun! And I still really like the interruption. Makes you remember that under that tough guy exterior, he's still a whiny brat that needs a good talking to from time to time.

So I went back to your edit of the converastion Ady, added in my slight touch, but I've tried layering it with a quiter version of the Emperors Theme to facilitate the fading back into the origianl music at the end.

New Edit

GM, I'm downloading the file linked in your immediately previous post (rer8.wmv) but I get an error when I try to download the previous one (rer7.wmv). Any way you could re-upload it somewhere? I'm very interested to see it.

oh sorry, yea... I've been deleting them because I'muploading them to where my soundtracks are loaded... and he already told me I don't have much space for the soudntracks, so I've been deleting them once I upload them... 

Its back up