vaderios said:Very nice Ady! Cant w8 to see the fixed jump cut shot.
One notice: the reflection of the rails should match with your new:)
-Angel
yeh. the problem i faced with the reflection though was it threw the original footage out due to the lines on the flooring. I used the original shadows from the GOUT with the SE footage, the new rails, slightly transparent solid floor and at the same time everything had to line up. i'm not too bothered that the reflection isn't perfect as long as the shadows aren't transparent any longer and the rail is slightly higher. I think the reflections being exactly the same height in the SE doesn't look right also.
Erikstormtrooper said:Secondly, Adywan, I'm glad you decided to raise the rail height in the above shot. Is there any way you would consider making it higher? It still looks way too short to me. I figure most railings are at least waist height. The corridor is just not wide enough for those to be normal rails.
if i made them any higher it throws a few things out. but i think they are about the right height now. they have a rail that is sloped outwards which would be about the right height to lean on and be safe at the same time. the pic i posted probably wasn't the best to show the rails new height. I've also tweaked the reflection slightly since i posted the last shot.
Ripplin said:Might sound dumb, but I look forward to seeing fix number two the most. I love to see jump cuts smoothed. :)
well i'm in a really good mood tonight so here's a clip of the jump cut and the other fix i mentioned
The thing about rails is that even in real life they don't always come up very high, at my workplace we have rails that go to middle of my thigh. Of course, it's only about 20 foot drop at work, so who knows how high that Cloud City drop would be?!
W00t- video clip! Made my evening. That and the HDcam news. :)
Just wanted to say thank you to Sketchrob for the donations to Adywan. I'm certain that we all wished that we could help, but your generosity will be remembered as we are enjoying ESB:Revisited.
Adywan, very nice work with the latest clip. The news about Revisited being in 720p has got me even more excited about the project. Sorry you had to spoil the surprise, though. Glad to hear the project can continue.
I know I'm going to get rapped in the knuckles for this, but Ady: how do you feel about Vaderios' red AT-AT cockpit shots? I know you nixed the red windows, but now that Vaderios has done an example, it would be interesting just to hear how you feel about the look of it. Even without the red cockpit, any ideas on what to do with the AT-AT cockpit shots (if anything)?
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That does indeed look much, much better Ady.
My only suggestion would be, if at all possible, to improve the lighting on the actors in the shot(s) in question. In the one at the top of the page, for instance, the lighting on Lando is indicative of the indoors setting in the OTV. The SE change, however, should have more light coming from outside than there was inside - that is to say, his side closest to the railing/outdoors should be lit more than his other side, instead of it being uniform (and rather dark).
I am aware of the limitations of digital manipulation, however - changing the lighting in a convincing way may not be possible, and if that's the case I have no problem leaving it the way it is. It already looks lightyears better than ILM's rushed job.
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Awesome! Great job!
Now, I have to ask something that I've been wondering my entire life. At the first of the clip, when Luke hits Vader off of the edge, what is that sound? You can hear it twice (once in this clip) during their fight. I always thought it was Luke saying "Man!" But you hear the exact same sound twice & it always bothered me. Also, I don't know which version it is, but that sound is replaced by Darth Vader grunting when he falls off in one of them.
Monroville said:I know I'm going to get rapped in the knuckles for this, but Ady: how do you feel about Vaderios' red AT-AT cockpit shots? I know you nixed the red windows, but now that Vaderios has done an example, it would be interesting just to hear how you feel about the look of it. Even without the red cockpit, any ideas on what to do with the AT-AT cockpit shots (if anything)?
Oh no! Please this stops here :P
Ady Great fix of the jump cut! It took me a while to get used that is finally fixed :P
Very thanks to sketchrob and his donation!
-Angel
Hey Sketchrob I have this Star Wars project, and I need a PS3 to complete it.....ha, just kidding, you have really kicked some cheek with all of your support! You are Star Wars man of the week for February 15-21!! You should be proud, you are the first recipient of this prestigious award.....what do you get? Tons of exclusive and new HD footage in an upcoming revisited edition of STAR WARS The Empire Strikes Back!! Great prize huh!? Thanks again man! Peace.....
gavin77 said:Hey Sketchrob I have this Star Wars project, and I need a PS3 to complete it.....ha, just kidding, you have really kicked some cheek with all of your support! You are Star Wars man of the week for February 15-21!! You should be proud, you are the first recipient of this prestigious award.....what do you get? Tons of exclusive and new HD footage in an upcoming revisited edition of STAR WARS The Empire Strikes Back!! Great prize huh!? Thanks again man! Peace.....
Haha, no Ady will meet sketchrob at Comicdon the next year to give his private betas of ESB:R :P
-Angel
You guys are too funny LOL I'll breath a sigh of relief once Ady has that camera in his hands and is producing new work, until then, thanx to all those who contributed as well :) And to ADY for taking all the extra efforts to make ESB:R so much more than originally planned! The new clip is great, love that jumpcut fix, and man sometime I forget how great Kershner and crew lit ESB, with Adys CC it looks better than alot of movies being released today.
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I was wondering about the "AAAHH!" when Vader falls off the Carbonite platform, it seems to be a repeat of another he does earlier in the duel when Luke put the steam tubes in his face. In the original version there were two differenct sounding "Aaahs!" They both seem exactly the same in the SEs.
Well i liked the SE "aaah"
Personally I prefer vader don't say "aaah", because is not fitting to his character.
Is a machine....and its darth vader :P
You can't just shoot or kick him.
-Angel
You've mentioned something that has bugged me about ESB for a long time.
That's Vader's two cries of pain and surprise during the duel. They were embarassing to hear. Vader's a guy who has clearly suffered consistent pain of every degree imaginable for years.
A little nip on the shoulder would have no effect on him whatsoever. At least not to the point that he made any sound out of it.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
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Sevb32 said:I was wondering about the "AAAHH!" when Vader falls off the Carbonite platform, it seems to be a repeat of another he does earlier in the duel when Luke put the steam tubes in his face. In the original version there were two differenct sounding "Aaahs!" They both seem exactly the same in the SEs.
When he gets the steam in his face it's clearly a "Frohw-!..." and not a "Arrgh-ohw!", anyone can hear that, surely? ;-)
I'm partial to both noises but I could never figure out why Vader's breath screen doesn't work both ways as a respirator and as a filter, should steam in the face really effect him if his breathing is mostly a mechanical process?
But you'd have to lose the entire action if it didn't.
He still has pain receptors (even in his mechanical limbs, like Luke does in his new hand) so it makes sense that he should feel the pain of taking a laser sword hit to the shoulder (clearly Anakin/Vader has a blind spot for protecting that area that he hasn't worked on enough since Dooku took his arm off).
What's more confusing is that he gives out such a weedy yelp when he was younger (he may have gone into shock but that "Urgh" is one of the weakest ever in cinema).
Dooku being of stonger stuff (possibly hardened by having to live with such a silly name for all those years...see Johnny Cash was right) just winces when he has both hands taken off (not like Luke who deserves some sort of screaming in pain medal when he loses just one hand).
It's not a question of if he would feel it. I think he would. Given the technology, I think any damage sustained on even a mechanical section of his body would register to his brain as if it were his actual organic body. The real question is if he should acknowledge that pain in a cry of exclamation. I don't think he needs to. Like Vaderios said, it's not his character.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
wow, that is so much better!:)
DarkFather said:It's not a question of if he would feel it. I think he would. Given the technology, I think any damage sustained on even a mechanical section of his body would register to his brain as if it were his actual organic body. The real question is if he should acknowledge that pain in a cry of exclamation. I don't think he needs to. Like Vaderios said, it's not his character.
He didn't really experience any physical damage in ANH so this film was the first time we saw it.
Therefore it clearly is part of his character to express pain if he feels it and react with rage at the person who has inflicted it upon him (you could argue that that shouldn't be the case but seeing as this film set the precedent for that aspect of Vader it should be taken as the default setting).
He was certainly not shy about shouting in anger in ANH something which was toned down in the other movies.
Vader is a bully, he's used to kicking people around and can still be taken aback when someone manages to get a jab in through that hard shell of his.
If anything it actually makes the character more interesting because it proves that there is still a human in there somewhere hidden in all that technology.
He's a Sith, I expect him to act out in rage. Sith use their rage to lash out at their enemies. In this case, he focused it on Luke and ended up taking off the kid's hand. But I'm talking about the exclamations themselves. Do you really think they belong with this towering, villainous half-machine that has been battle hardened? I don't think it does. That's why I suggest to Adywan that it be edited out. I could use the "first time we saw it in that context so it must be true" logic, and going by that, there'd be no point in editing any films. The yells were something that bothered me from the first time I watched ESB, and come to find out, it's bothering some other fans interested in this project as well.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
DarkFather said:He's a Sith, I expect him to act out in rage. Sith use their rage to lash out at their enemies. In this case, he focused it on Luke and ended up taking off the kid's hand. But I'm talking about the exclamations themselves. Do you really think they belong with this towering, villainous half-machine that has been battle hardened? I don't think it does. That's why I suggest to Adywan that it be edited out. I could use the "first time we saw it in that context so it must be true" logic, and going by that, there'd be no point in editing any films. The yells were something that bothered me from the first time I watched ESB, and come to find out, it's bothering some other fans interested in this project as well.
I wasn't saying that because it's the first time it should stay, I was saying that because it's the first time that is the point from which you make any editing decisions from.
Vader is that way now, you can make a good arguement for making him a tougher creature in a re-edit but in the text we are working from he is really a fragile being pretending to be strong, he is hiding the fact that he is a weak, sick old man behind a fear inducing mask and machinery.
I think those responses help reveal that truth to the audience and it's something that pays off in the final chapter.
Consider that when luke hits vader in his armor, the "aarrg" was a sith curse :P
Sometimes books have the sence of humor....
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Bingowings said:DarkFather said:He's a Sith, I expect him to act out in rage. Sith use their rage to lash out at their enemies. In this case, he focused it on Luke and ended up taking off the kid's hand. But I'm talking about the exclamations themselves. Do you really think they belong with this towering, villainous half-machine that has been battle hardened? I don't think it does. That's why I suggest to Adywan that it be edited out. I could use the "first time we saw it in that context so it must be true" logic, and going by that, there'd be no point in editing any films. The yells were something that bothered me from the first time I watched ESB, and come to find out, it's bothering some other fans interested in this project as well.
I wasn't saying that because it's the first time it should stay, I was saying that because it's the first time that is the point from which you make any editing decisions from.
Vader is that way now, you can make a good arguement for making him a tougher creature in a re-edit but in the text we are working from he is really a fragile being pretending to be strong, he is hiding the fact that he is a weak, sick old man behind a fear inducing mask and machinery.
I think those responses help reveal that truth to the audience and it's something that pays off in the final chapter.
Actually, Vader isn't all that old. He's in his early to mid-forties in ESB if I remember right. Vader is sick, sure. In the sense that he's relying on a life-support suit. Yet with that suit on, he's anything but weak. The mechanical arms give him physical strength beyond any normal human shown in the way he lifts Antilles like a pillow. The whole argument that Vader is a pathetic weakling hiding behind a mask really falls flat. He was de-limbed, suffered third degree burns covering virtually all of his body, yet survived and continued working against the remnants of the Old Republic for over two decades. These are of course despite all of Lucas' nonsensical quotes to the contrary. Are we going to trust Lucas to keep a straight story anyway? I'm not, and I don't think you really do either. He's seemed obsessed with making Vader into a weakling with his quotes, when the films plainly show otherwise. Very weird stuff. So now that we've established that he's strong, tough, and still in his prime, we can now take into account that this hardened villain wouldn't be giving any sort of audible reaction from a little wound to the shoulder (depends on how you read the scene... you could say it was an angry outburst, or a pain surprise. I lean toward the last one). I hope Adywan decides to edit it out, and then we wouldn't have this silly contradiction to character in ESB. Also, we have to remember the cry he makes when falling from the platform in the carbon freezing chamber. That's another one that I think needs to go.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
If Vader is was so strong he would have taken on Palpatine on his own (Palpatine really is strong and hides his great powers behind a mask of being a sick old man, he is the counterpoint to Yoda who hides his power in much the same way).
Vader and Palpatine are at a point of stalemate with each other, they both want the other out of the way and see Luke as the tool for doing it.
In the end it's Anakin's latent ability to feel compassion that makes him strong (even stronger than Palpatine).
There are two Vaders here, the one he wants us to see, the Dark Lord who crushes all who stand in his way and the physically and emotional wreckage that sits inside the armoured shell.
He hasn't had to fight a Jedi in decades (leaving the EU to one side and allowing for the obvious fact that Obi-Wan allowed himself to be killed). So this is the first time he has had to extend himself in this way for a long time.
Luke loses this battle but he puts up a strong fight (with only a few days training and youth on his side) which proves just how weak Vader is becoming.
So I'd allow him a few grunts and grrrrs of anger and pain.
I like the Vader audible reactions, it shows he still feels some pain, even being as much machine as he is. Remember, Vader is not meant to be person who is all powerful, he is a flawed person who didn't stay with his potential.
But go back and listen to the original pre SE editions of the vhs tapes or maybe even the pre SE dvds (Which I don't have.) Vader's Carbonite groans sounded like two different ones, in the SE's they both sound more or less the same.
If Vader is was so strong he would have taken on Palpatine on his own (Palpatine really is strong and hides his great powers behind a mask of being a sick old man, he is the counterpoint to Yoda who hides his power in much the same way).
Vader and Palpatine are at a point of stalemate with each other, they both want the other out of the way and see Luke as the tool for doing it.
In the end it's Anakin's latent ability to feel compassion that makes him strong (even stronger than Palpatine).
There are two Vaders here, the one he wants us to see, the Dark Lord who crushes all who stand in his way and the physically and emotional wreckage that sits inside the armoured shell.
He hasn't had to fight a Jedi in decades (leaving the EU to one side and allowing for the obvious fact that Obi-Wan allowed himself to be killed). So this is the first time he has had to extend himself in this way for a long time.
Luke loses this battle but he puts up a strong fight (with only a few days training and youth on his side) which proves just how weak Vader is becoming.
So I'd allow him a few grunts and grrrrs of anger and pain.
Of course Vader pales in comparison to the Emperor. Not by too much. The only card the Emperor can play against Vader is Force Lightning. That's not to say Vader is weak in contrast to everyone else he's around. The Emperor is the only exception, which is saying a lot about how much power Vader has on his hands.
You're right in that he's most likely been out of the Jedi dueling business for a while. However, I see no reason to not believe, and every reason to believe that he's consistently at the forefront of war and conflict. I'm just saying this guy is hardened to pain and his reactions are weird and out of place.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
