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Johnny Ringo said:

now considering that each SD is one mile, that makes the Executor a whopping 12 miles long!  Could you imagine being in the nose and having an important message for Vader?  You know, I'm surprised Mel Brooks didn't do something like that in SPACEBALLS....

They did make fun of the size of the ship in SPACEBALLS - several times. [I'm not sure if you were serious]

Well yeah ("We Break For Nobody!"), but I was saying having a scene with someone having to run the whole length of the ship just to get Dark Helmet a diet coke or something.  With the MOD SQUAD theme playing.  The Whole 5 minutes.  Just for Dark Helmet to smack him upside the head and say "You asshole!  I wanted a Pepsi!"

Monroville said:

Johnny Ringo said:

now considering that each SD is one mile, that makes the Executor a whopping 12 miles long!  Could you imagine being in the nose and having an important message for Vader?  You know, I'm surprised Mel Brooks didn't do something like that in SPACEBALLS....

They did make fun of the size of the ship in SPACEBALLS - several times. [I'm not sure if you were serious]

Well yeah ("We Break For Nobody!"), but I was saying having a scene with someone having to run the whole length of the ship just to get Dark Helmet a diet coke or something.  With the MOD SQUAD theme playing.  The Whole 5 minutes.  Just for Dark Helmet to smack him upside the head and say "You asshole!  I wanted a Pepsi!"

Skroob does run in at some point because it would have taken "forever" if he had walked.  But your idea is pretty good.

doubleofive said:

 

Here is one of our takes on the shuttle:

ImperialFighter did the timing and figured that unless the unfolding process was greatly sped up, it would have to be unfolded at the beginning of the shot.

Don't worry, Adyway has seen all this, and has taken them into consideration.

That's why you would extend the shot and use Computer FX to continue to slowly move the Executor as the Lambda played out.  That way you don't have to mess with the timing of the Lambda unfolding or whatnot.

Also, if the original Needa SD is going to be kept, it needs to be darkened and worked on in a major way to fit with the rest of the shot (notice the difference in light sources between the Executor and sister SD and the brightly lit underbelly of Needa's SD).  You would also need to create a little bit of the area on the upper left (the rear of the hanger), as the SD would continue to slowly move to the right as the shuttle deploys.

Bobocop said:

teharri said:

does anyone know how to rip a dvd menu. I think it would be cool to edit this scene into the movie somehow.

 

Here's a few snippets from the ESB menus that look pretty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaA9xWsjbU

Jeez, Ady, you could probably use all 3 of these!  Just edit them before the menus appear and they'd fit right in!
Someone mentioned the "asteroid special features" menu screen.  Is there a Youtube link for that one?

Again, I think its fine if they were different wampas of perhaps even different sexes.  Like the female hunts while the male eats at home, like lions, but the horn differences more like the difference between cows and bulls.

I know this has been beaten to death, but wouldn't it be easier just to remove the horns from the later "inside the cave" shot

and have the wampa keep the 1st image appearance?  Those horns just don't work!

Yeah, that shot is only on screen for a second, you barely get a glimps of it. Not near long enough for someone to really nit pick the horns unless they freeze frame it, and even then, those horns don't look too bad.

gavin77 said:

Oh, and a little off subject, but people keep calling the Clone Wars series EU, I know it's not an actual movie, but according to Lucas it is canon, and he has been very involved in the story line devolopment, etc, etc, not to mention producing the whole thing. In fact, this actually was a movie a few months back if you remember.

 Ady has stated that he ONLY considers the OT and PT to be 'canon'.

Which is quite charitable. I've never considered the PT to be 'canon'... :-P

canon is dead, from a certain point of view

fanon is the only way to make sense of the star wars universe now
it has become so big and unwieldy that you must simply take what you are given and accept or reject bits and pieces of it to make it work for you. even if you only stick to so called g-level canon (the highest level i believe) it is full of contradictions.

it is as though the star wars story has been edited together from the evidence of many different sources that don't all agree with each other

ladies and gentleman of the jury, you must decide for yourself the truth, based on the evidence presented before you

certain (usually very small) aspects of ady's edits fly in the face of g-level canon - and that's ok, in fact to most of us here it's better than ok. it's great.

these are fan edits - ady decides what's in his fanon, the fact that so far he's sticking pretty close to g-level is his choice, and for the OT that has been a good choice for the vast majority of us. it certainly will be interesting to see where the PT goes. personally i hope quite a bit goes off canon

anyway the point is that george's opinion of what is canon is no longer all that relevant
your own opinion - your own fanon is all that should really matter

our destiny lays on a different path than george's        (slightly)

Some good points there, prof. The way I see it, you (meaning LFL/GL) can't keep making new projects and saying 'ok, this is canon. And this isn't canon anymore. And this is canon. And this isn't anymore.' Everything becomes a big mess. If only they would just leave things alone sometimes. :p

Well what i consider canon is what is in the OUT movies. those are what the canon for the PT should based upon and not the other way around. Influences from books, spin-off TV shows and movies just won't have any bearing on the Revisited edits. Just because GL has something to do with a show or movie doesn't mean that it should have anything to do with the Revisited canon. If i were to include the clone wars then shouldn't i also include the holiday special & Ewok movies. does that mean that the Ewoks should speak now? Too many things are now contradicting the OT but not in my edits.

When i first planned on doing the saga i wanted to bring the saga together as a whole and not have the PT ruin many of the surprises in the OT, namely Leia being Lukes sister and Vader being Lukes father.  I want them to be able to be watched in chronological order. So in ROTS you will not have Anakin named as Vader or even see him don the costume. The last we see of Anakin is being led away in the life support chamber after it leaves the shuttle. Leia will not be named either. Palpatine has Maul, Dooku & Grievous in the PT, so when we see Vader in ANH we will just think that he's just another henchman. We will hear mention of Vader in ROTS but not connected to Anakin. And also the problem with Leia remembering her real mother but Padme dies in ROTS will be fixed in the PT, so no changes are needed in ROTJ.

There will be probably more work done on the PT than in the Revisited OT. I have so many ideas for the PT but a lot of new FX need to be done to achieve this. I'm hoping that a new version of TPM is released before i get to that movie with the new CG Yoda because the abomination that is the PT puppet Yoda just cannot exist in my edit. I'm even thinking of building my own mechanical puppet Yoda to replace the one in that movie. I know i can do it. I'm going to have to get myself a HD video camera to achieve most of wehat i want to do with not only the PT, but some work on ESB & ROTJ. The reason i dropped the idea of using models for some new FX work was only down to the fact that my video camera is just complete crap in quality, but having tested a couple of the £400 1080p HD cameras this is now once again a very strong possibility.  It's going to cost me a fortune to do all this but its probably the only way i can do the versions i really want to do.

Now Needa's shuttle won't be a Lambda class shuttle in ESB, but it won't be the box one that exists in the movie now. I'm going to design a new shuttle that is similar design to the Lambda. This will either be built as a physical model or CG depending is i can film it as a real element or not in time. I'm also thinking of then using the same design for the Tydirium in ROTJ and have the Lambda class used only for dignitaries like Vader. The Tydirium is supposed to be transporting cargo and technical crew so why would the be using such an important ship? Vader had his own prototype TIE in ANH and i want him to have his own shuttle in ROTJ.

Monroville said:

I know this has been beaten to death, but wouldn't it be easier just to remove the horns from the later "inside the cave" shot
and have the wampa keep the 1st image appearance?  Those horns just don't work!

Removing the horns from the later Wampa is not something i want to do. The wampa has always had horns and to me it should do. The horns in the clip you posted screenshots from was in HD and therefore hard to use an SD image to look any good at that res. It was also only a WIP. I might even build a new Wampa head for those shots anyway. It might be easier. lol

Some VERY interesting news there, Ady. :)

adywan said:

Well what i consider canon is what is in the OUT movies. those are what the canon for the PT should based upon and not the other way around. Influences from books, spin-off TV shows and movies just won't have any bearing on the Revisited edits. Just because GL has something to do with a show or movie doesn't mean that it should have anything to do with the Revisited canon. If i were to include the clone wars then shouldn't i also include the holiday special & Ewok movies. does that mean that the Ewoks should speak now? Too many things are now contradicting the OT but not in my edits.

Awesome to hear.  The more I think about it, the more I really don't care for trying to fit the EU in the Saga.  There are some good stories and I'll reference them for that.

When i first planned on doing the saga i wanted to bring the saga together as a whole and not have the PT ruin many of the surprises in the OT, namely Leia being Lukes sister and Vader being Lukes father.  I want them to be able to be watched in chronological order. So in ROTS you will not have Anakin named as Vader or even see him don the costume. The last we see of Anakin is being led away in the life support chamber after it leaves the shuttle. Leia will not be named either. Palpatine has Maul, Dooku & Grievous in the PT, so when we see Vader in ANH we will just think that he's just another henchman. We will hear mention of Vader in ROTS but not connected to Anakin. And also the problem with Leia remembering her real mother but Padme dies in ROTS will be fixed in the PT, so no changes are needed in ROTJ.

Is it wrong that this paragraph nearly made me stand up and cheer in my cubicle?  This is the stuff that really upset me about the prequels, the fact that they reference things that haven't happened and they spoil all of the "surprises" in the OT.  It doesn't make any sense if Lucas wanted them to be watched in order.  Just another reason why my future children will only know The Revisited Saga.

There will be probably more work done on the PT than in the Revisited OT. I have so many ideas for the PT but a lot of new FX need to be done to achieve this. I'm hoping that a new version of TPM is released before i get to that movie with the new CG Yoda because the abomination that is the PT puppet Yoda just cannot exist in my edit. I'm even thinking of building my own mechanical puppet Yoda to replace the one in that movie. I know i can do it. I'm going to have to get myself a HD video camera to achieve most of wehat i want to do with not only the PT, but some work on ESB & ROTJ. The reason i dropped the idea of using models for some new FX work was only down to the fact that my video camera is just complete crap in quality, but having tested a couple of the £400 1080p HD cameras this is now once again a very strong possibility.  It's going to cost me a fortune to do all this but its probably the only way i can do the versions i really want to do.

That's dedication.  I'm glad that you never plan on doing anything half-assed, but plan for the absolute best, even if it takes time and money.  Building your own Yoda would be an incredible undertaking.  If you start making models and filming them, we're going to need your wife or one of your kids to do some behind-the-scenes video stuff.  Or I could fly over to England and do it myself...

Now Needa's shuttle won't be a Lambda class shuttle in ESB, but it won't be the box one that exists in the movie now. I'm going to design a new shuttle that is similar design to the Lambda. This will either be built as a physical model or CG depending is i can film it as a real element or not in time. I'm also thinking of then using the same design for the Tydirium in ROTJ and have the Lambda class used only for dignitaries like Vader. The Tydirium is supposed to be transporting cargo and technical crew so why would the be using such an important ship? Vader had his own prototype TIE in ANH and i want him to have his own shuttle in ROTJ.

Cool stuff.  Makes sense for Vader and Palpatine to have Lambda shuttles and everyone else to have something a little less fancy.  And in the PT, every ship had moving, folding wings that just seem silly for space travel, but I digress. ;-)

Monroville said:

I know this has been beaten to death, but wouldn't it be easier just to remove the horns from the later "inside the cave" shot
and have the wampa keep the 1st image appearance?  Those horns just don't work!

Removing the horns from the later Wampa is not something i want to do. The wampa has always had horns and to me it should do. The horns in the clip you posted screenshots from was in HD and therefore hard to use an SD image to look any good at that res. It was also only a WIP. I might even build a new Wampa head for those shots anyway. It might be easier. lol

I think the horns will work in SD since you'll have more sources available.  But a Wampa head would also be awesome.  Is there anything you can't do?  Or aren't willing to try?

Every time I think I couldn't be more excited about this project, you drop in and make me more excited.