Ronster said:
The problem is the approach on the Alderaan / death star in ANH...
The falcon can track a ship following it in a group of inanimate asteroids... Bobba fetts ship is no different from this scenario in ESB.
So thats it solved then, going by the evidence in ANH,... the Falcon can detect a following craft, so in ESB Slave 1 must have already been blocking itself otherwise Han would have known he was being followed....see?
J
Does it really matter? There is a point where it just makes sense to see both craft in the same shot so we can see what's happening.
ben_danger said:
Does it really matter?
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yes it makes sense to show the pursuit out of the junk.
It does not make sense he is following him through deep space undetected.
Jumping to hyperspace to bespin before the falcon also makes no sense... Or atleast in my opinion.
does it matter? no not really.
Is it stupid? Yes it is a stupid scene
Like I said, adywan already handled this. Slave 1 waits longer to follow. The Falcon doesn't have rearview mirrors, and Slave 1 has sensor- and radar-jamming capabilities. The MF's hyperdrive wasn't working so they had to take the long way to Cloud City.
It's a non-issue.
So are we going to see the other bounty hunters go in the wrong direction before the fleet break up?
I don't won't to drag this project out forever with ideas but I imagine it could be done with very small moving objects (maybe sampling craft from Mos Eisley or the PT but scaled down).
Fuck that, get Ady to make new models. He likes doing shit like that!
;)
About this cloaking, Jaitea already brought up a good point earlier on this page. "Cloaking" doesn't necessarily mean it has to vanish from the eye, it could just be "off the scanners".
It works great as it is and we can just assume that the Slave I has the ability to fly "off the scanners", even much better now that Ady increased the following distance between the two ships.
But I'll admit, it's not a bad idea and it'd make sense to see the Slave I literally cloak itself as it's flying by in the SE footage. It would visually tell the audience that:
A) it in fact cannot be detected by the MF, no matter how close it is (and then the following distance should be brought back closer to how it was originally, making the "prowl" more eerie, which I'd like)
B) this sort of tech can exist on small ships (making Captain Needa's previous statement about cloaking sound more ignorant, which I like).
C) Boba and his Slave I is all the more fearsome and awesome.
So it wouldn't just be unnecessary eye candy like it would have been in the PT. SW has always been about visuals and sounds to help tell a story after all, so even if something can be inferred without seeing it, sometimes it is a good idea to actually see it, in some cases and as long as it's done right.
The only concerns I'd have about this is would it look/feel right and would most fans be fine with this? By this point I'm sure Ady has already made up his mind of what he'll do - if he's totally against it, that's just fine with me; if he's going to do it, I'm fine with it too. Just as long as Slave I isn't seen jumping to lightspeed, because he should still be "stalking the prey".
My 2 cents on this topic :)
I wouldn't be at all fine with cloaking technology making an appearance in Star Wars. It's just not necessary and would stick out like a sore thumb.
And it doesn't do anything to make Boba more fearsome. What's more fearsome is a hunter who uses his cunning, not some fancy technology. Anyone with money these days can buy camo and an expensive blind, and hire a guide, and bag a deer or a bear with a little bit of patience. That doesn't make you a fearsome hunter. Boba Fett is the kind of bounty hunter who would say, "cloaks are for pussies."
Fett hides, he stalks at a distance, he uses his cunning to determine where Solo is going. Simple, effective, fearsome. I have several private investigators in my family and this is what they do, and they're damn good at it.
Well it is possible for someone to have cloaking ability on their ship and still be cunning, but I agree with the points that it's not necessary.
The only reason why I would've been okay with cloaking devices in SW is because it was mentioned by Needa. It's just a matter of interpretation if it means literal stealth or just "off the scanners", which for me I could've gone either way.
But when in doubt, keeping things looking and feeling as close to the original as possible is the best way. Therefore, not having stealth on Slave I and only increasing the following distance, as Ady already did, would be best after all.
Here's fun.
What's sauce for the goose...
The best cloaking device is the one between your ears right?
Fett fully aware of Han playing the 'ole gluing your ship to the bad guy's ship' routine glues his ship to a lump of space junk.
As all the trash floats out of the Star Destroyer providing Han with the cover he thinks he has so cleverly made for himself we see Fett's ship parked on a big lump of it.
The Falcon buggers off and Fett after charting their course takes off from the space junk and jumps into hyperspace.
It's the same idea as the original but slightly tweaked to make it make more sense.
It's like the original idea of Star Trek, when the ships duel more like submarines than battlecruisers ...
I think Fett could use his "jammer" and silently follow his prey - like "hunting for October" ;-)
jumping to Hyperspace should warn Solo, that he wasn't alone at that moment !?
'They' arrived just before the Falcon and the 'Lando system' isn't that far.
So it would make sense he would jump to hyperspace to get there before Han.
If I were filming it from scratch I would have an indicator on the Falcon go off when Fett emerged from his Space Junk cover but it would be near the deactivated Threepio.
The irony being Han and Leia have just switched off the only 'person' who might have noticed Fett (someone they have already ignored as he tried to warn them about the hyperdrive and who will get blasted trying to warn them about the troopers).
asterisk8 said:
I wouldn't be at all fine with cloaking technology making an appearance in Star Wars. It's just not necessary and would stick out like a sore thumb.
And it doesn't do anything to make Boba more fearsome. What's more fearsome is a hunter who uses his cunning, not some fancy technology. Anyone with money these days can buy camo and an expensive blind, and hire a guide, and bag a deer or a bear with a little bit of patience. That doesn't make you a fearsome hunter. Boba Fett is the kind of bounty hunter who would say, "cloaks are for pussies."
Fett hides, he stalks at a distance, he uses his cunning to determine where Solo is going. Simple, effective, fearsome. I have several private investigators in my family and this is what they do, and they're damn good at it.
Yup.
I don't think there are many private investigators who can follow behind someone so fast they get to their destination before the person they are following behind.
But spacetime is very bent.
good point with 3PO, yes that could have worked, but in this edit I think we should stick with the basics and improve only what needs to be ...
yeah, Einstein was on Bespin before Han ;-)
EDIT....already answered.
I think the circle is now complete on this subject.
If once you start down the dark path… wear comfortable shoes.
Bingowings said:
I don't think there are many private investigators who can follow behind someone so fast they get to their destination before the person they are following behind.
But spacetime is very bent.
Apparently, if you fly in a straight line fast enough, you'll eventually come up behind yourself. Bent indeed.
When my uncle is investigating someone, he doesn't just follow them everywhere they go. He learns their schedule and common places well enough that he can guess where they're going and take a different route to get there ahead of time. Or he'll radio to his sons where to pick up the tail so he can turn off and not arouse suspicion of the mark.
Cinema works in short hand. That's why hardly anyone other than us has even questioned either the original sequence or the SE versions.
It tells us basically what we need to know.
Fett outsmarted the smart Alec Han and waited behind to see where he went.
All my suggestion does is answer a few concerns that in the SE version he may be too close to Han to go unnoticed and give a direct answer as to how he got there before Han.
However this is a crew that has a backseat driver of some importance who fails to notice that a 'collapsing cave' has teeth until it's right on top of her despite having latent Force skills and a Captain who took almost as long to twig on too and seems to know less about his own ship than the droid they keep switching off.
I don't care about cloaking devices I just want the scene to make sense and not contradict what we have seen previously
Ok this is the only other idea that I can come up with that does not contradict the Falcons scanners from episode 4.
Also I would rather Boba hyperspace remained ambiguous like in the original... And these are my final thoughts on it.
Wouldn't it be easier to have a sequence later in a film where Han doesn't detect a Bespin cloud car until it's right next to the cockpit window?
The ship has been breaking down recently.
There is nothing that suggests he does not detect them considering the first in cockpit shot we see is Han having a Radio conversation with one of the cloud car pilots I'd say he has detected them alright.
This a fine example of the all too conveinent star wars problem "it works because we need it to here but forget about everything else"
So you can add a contradiction to episode 4 Alderaan / Deathstar approach + death star escape and episode 5 in Cloud city approach
And later on when they leave cloud city and have to go back Lando also mentions tie fighters when they are miles away from cloud city that they have detected.
I just watched the clip on facebook again... And whilst I like the increased distance It's a shame to lose the falcon leaving the junk also as a consequence but nevermind.
If that periscope view of the falcon were added to explain Jamming the sensors and perhaps hacking the Nav computer then perhaps we could have both Falcon and Slave 1 both leave the junk seperately.... And that is my very last final thought.
Ronster said:
I just watched the clip on facebook again... And whilst I like the increased distance It's a shame to lose the falcon leaving the junk also as a consequence but nevermind.
I don't see what you mean. The falcon still leaves the junk, at 2:45 in the clip below:
I really don't think that theres a problem in that scene, it doesn't need any additional shots to explain that Boba is skilled at his job
J