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Grythandril said:

this is a question for Adywan regarding the first shot of the executor Bridge with vader.

Have noticed throughout the film that Vader seems to have 2 personal guards.  They appear in various scenes.

1. Removing needa dead body. 

2. Standing beside Vader with the bounty hunters.

3. Standing outside his quarters when piett enters 

However at the start of the bridge scene there is only one guard on the right hand side. So i made this little mock up picture (not very good at this) which show two guards on either side and thus eliminating the officer on the left (which i think is clearly piett.)

[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img607/11/j5mt.jpg[/IMG]

will you be altering this or leaving it at it stands?

I'll be leaving it as it stands. the second guard could just be a few paces from the other but be hidden.

And Ronster, love seeing your ideas. Even though they probably aren't what i would want to do for this edit, they could be of use to other editors. So don't feel that just because i may say no to an idea that you should stop.

Well, there's nothing saying that if anything is added, it's just when the Falcon is coming back (ie similar to the background stuff in The Last Battle in ANH:R, you just show the TIEs above the city fighting with cloud cars and other ships trying to escape, with smoke coming from where the city on top is being pummeled).

Hell, at least show a plethora of ships in the distance all around the upper area of the frame showing the mass evacuation.  ANYthing to add some life and show what Lando gave an order for.

Monroville said:

Well, there's nothing saying that if anything is added, it's just when the Falcon is coming back (ie similar to the background stuff in The Last Battle in ANH:R, you just show the TIEs above the city fighting with cloud cars and other ships trying to escape, with smoke coming from where the city on top is being pummeled).

Hell, at least show a plethora of ships in the distance all around the upper area of the frame showing the mass evacuation.  ANYthing to add some life and show what Lando gave an order for.

In response to the above image, I had always assumed that the threat of the Empire meant taking over Cloud City, not necessarily destroying it. Think Martial Law, not Mass Execution. Though it could be argued that the Empire WOULD do a mass slaughter, in this case I just thought it would lead to the lockdown of Cloud City more than anything, with the only certain fear of death being put upon the main characters, though that also isn't guaranteed since the capture of a high ranking rebellion leader like Leia would be worth the effort, even if it wasn't very effective in ANH.

If I were to add anything to the shot of Cloud City as the Falcon fled, it would be a Star Destroyer arriving to blockade and (offscreen) drop Stormtroopers off. But I do think seeing random ships evacuating in the background is already enough.

Please excuse the small size of this mockup, but this is what I mean by just adding one or more Star Destroyers just above Cloud City to show more of their presence. One may also assume that the TIEs came from it to chase the Millennium Falcon after Luke is rescued.

BUT, not a super big deal to add either, I will admit now. I'm not fighting for it, but just wanted to place an alternate idea to having smoke and fire coming from the city.

Niflamol said:

Take this as consideration, we never see big starships into the atmosphere of any planet in the old trilogy. This was established in the new trilogy.

Somehow I never realized that till you mentioned it. Interesting note.

If I were going to add the idea into an edit, I'd likely only do it in this shot. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there is another view of Cloud City's top surface again after this (Special Edition not being counted).

In motion, it could just be the Star Destroyer slowing down to that point as it arrives. I would've just done a video mockup, but felt an image got the point across well enough in this instance.

oh_riginal said:

In response to the above image, I had always assumed that the threat of the Empire meant taking over Cloud City, not necessarily destroying it. Think Martial Law, not Mass Execution.

Yes exactly, this is how I viewed it too. Unless Cloud City put up a direct fight against the Empire, which we never saw them doing (and adding such elements would only alter the story and distract from the current narrative), it wouldn't make sense for the Empire to open fire and cripple/destroy Cloud City.

Not a bad idea with the Star Destroyer at Cloud City, but I wouldn't push for it either.

@Ronster: Regarding Lando saying, "What about those fighters?", nothing needs to be done about that. It can be assumed that, sometime during their flight out of there, they did notice some Tie Fighters approaching the city from a different/opposite direction.

The only thing that has niggled me about this segment of the movie (but it shouldn't necessarily be changed from how it was originally) is the amount of time the Falcon initially had to escape Bespin - from the time when they leave the pad all the way to when Luke telepathically communicates with Lea. Because of the editing and everything that has happened on screen, you feel like they would have been way out in space already by the time Luke "speaks" to Lea (not in the clouds, still), especially when you compare the sequence of them quickly returning to rescue Luke and quickly leaving the planet. This is my theory for why Lucas added the various clips of Vader's shuttle, to give the viewer a sense of time passing by (although I think we all agree it wasn't done right and so it didn't help).

And lastly, I agree with whoever pointed out that Lea points upward (with Lando and Chewie also looking upward) at the Super Star Destroyer when in the next shot we actually see it much lower. To correct that, I think it would look good and be easiest to have that cockpit view be adjusted so we are looking further up through the upper windows, where Lea would have seen it when pointing.

I assumed they were flying around to the other side of Bespin before going out into space. Sort of flying "undercover" in a way. But when they went back and caught the attention of the TIE Fighters they lost their opportunity for an easy escape and had to get to space ASAP to go to lightspeed.

muddyknees2000 said:

oh_riginal said:

I assumed they were flying around to the other side of Bespin before going out into space. Sort of flying "undercover" in a way. But when they went back and caught the attention of the TIE Fighters they lost their opportunity for an easy escape and had to get to space ASAP to go to lightspeed.

^Exactly this^

Okay, that makes sense - I buy that. That's what I really like about these forums, you get the opportunity to see/understand certain things a little differently (generally for the better) when it's discussed with others.

oh_riginal said:

Monroville said:

Well, there's nothing saying that if anything is added, it's just when the Falcon is coming back (ie similar to the background stuff in The Last Battle in ANH:R, you just show the TIEs above the city fighting with cloud cars and other ships trying to escape, with smoke coming from where the city on top is being pummeled).

Hell, at least show a plethora of ships in the distance all around the upper area of the frame showing the mass evacuation.  ANYthing to add some life and show what Lando gave an order for.

In response to the above image, I had always assumed that the threat of the Empire meant taking over Cloud City, not necessarily destroying it. Think Martial Law, not Mass Execution. Though it could be argued that the Empire WOULD do a mass slaughter, in this case I just thought it would lead to the lockdown of Cloud City more than anything, with the only certain fear of death being put upon the main characters, though that also isn't guaranteed since the capture of a high ranking rebellion leader like Leia would be worth the effort, even if it wasn't very effective in ANH.

If I were to add anything to the shot of Cloud City as the Falcon fled, it would be a Star Destroyer arriving to blockade and (offscreen) drop Stormtroopers off. But I do think seeing random ships evacuating in the background is already enough.

Well, the idea would be to keep it relatively small.  I wouldn't want to see  "mass destruction" per se so much as TIEs shooting down the pod cars attacking them as they cover ships fleeing the city.  I would at least show the engine lights of multiple ships leaving the city, and maybe show the lights going out as the city is abandoned/deserted.  

oh_riginal said:

I assumed they were flying around to the other side of Bespin before going out into space. Sort of flying "undercover" in a way. But when they went back and caught the attention of the TIE Fighters they lost their opportunity for an easy escape and had to get to space ASAP to go to lightspeed.

That's a good supposition.  I always assumed that the moment the Falcon blasted off from the platform that the Imps called out to the flight deck to intercept it - especially given Vader expected Leia and Chewie to be taken to his ship.

That would explain the TIEs in atmospheric pursuit and Lando may have been attempting to use cloud cover to mask their getaway. His concern for the TIEs of course coming after Leia tells him to turn around and go back for Luke.

As to an ISD being put into the shot -  I would advise against it.  I always assumed the Executor was the only ship in orbit - especially given the stealthy nature of the Empire being AT Cloud City.  A fleet of SDs would have probably given Lando a lot more concern about their intentions when they first arrived, rather than simply telling him Han and Leia were simply needed for questioning to find Skywalker.

I think the scene as it was originally edited and paced, was perfect in tone, tenor and intensity.  Adding anything else (including Vader's shuttle) was totally unnecessary and ruined the pacing.

I think Ady will rightfully handle this and help us old timers appreciate what a true SE should have been.

INVAR said:

oh_riginal said:

I assumed they were flying around to the other side of Bespin before going out into space. Sort of flying "undercover" in a way. But when they went back and caught the attention of the TIE Fighters they lost their opportunity for an easy escape and had to get to space ASAP to go to lightspeed.

 

That's a good supposition.  I always assumed that the moment the Falcon blasted off from the platform that the Imps called out to the flight deck to intercept it - especially given Vader expected Leia and Chewie to be taken to his ship.

That would explain the TIEs in atmospheric pursuit and Lando may have been attempting to use cloud cover to mask their getaway. His concern for the TIEs of course coming after Leia tells him to turn around and go back for Luke.

As to an ISD being put into the shot -  I would advise against it.  I always assumed the Executor was the only ship in orbit - especially given the stealthy nature of the Empire being AT Cloud City.  A fleet of SDs would have probably given Lando a lot more concern about their intentions when they first arrived, rather than simply telling him Han and Leia were simply needed for questioning to find Skywalker.

I think the scene as it was originally edited and paced, was perfect in tone, tenor and intensity.  Adding anything else (including Vader's shuttle) was totally unnecessary and ruined the pacing.

I think Ady will rightfully handle this and help us old timers appreciate what a true SE should have been.

I agree with keeping it as is. This is just one of those "well, I wouldn't kick her out of bed in the morning at least" type of changes.

I felt that the stealthy part is necessary, but that doesn't necessarily mean the Empire didn't invade Cloud City further, after the fact (and offscreen), since, as Lando replied to Han Solo's question earlier, the Empire could shut the place down for NOT being under Imperial rule.

Han: Aren't you afraid of the Empire finding out about this operation? Shutting you down?

Lando: It's always been a threat...

But he hoped his deal to betray Solo would take this worry away. We all know how that went. :)

So, in that sense, I could imagine a Star Destroyer or two arriving at some point to deploy enough troops to take the city for the Empire.