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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 1115
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Ow that hurts!
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muddyknees2000 said:
The monitor changes nothing....he's got all kinds of gadgets he could be using to "detect" the cave....problem is, he points out the window.....
Delaying the line works perfectly as it makes it seem like he has a good feeling about the approaching crater....which he then confirms when he spots an adequate cave in said crater.......it's dead simple, and it totally solves the problem.
I completely agree with you on this.
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I like the delay in Ford's line, actually, but not at the expense of C3P0's "excuse me ma'am". Personally, I'll take a minor continuity issue over losing a piece of dialogue.
You can imagine that some scanner high up on top of the MF swept the crater, found the tunnel, and did a blinky-alerty thingy on a screen only Solo can see. :)
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asterisk8 said:
I like the delay in Ford's line, actually, but not at the expense of C3P0's "excuse me ma'am". Personally, I'll take a minor continuity issue over losing a piece of dialogue.
You can imagine that some scanner high up on top of the MF swept the crater, found the tunnel, and did a blinky-alerty thingy on a screen only Solo can see. :)
I felt that losing half of the line made 3PO sound like he was so overwhelmed by the situation that he momentarily threw polite formalities out the window and simply wanted to know where they were going. :) I thought it added to the humor, even if it wasn't my intention for that to happen when I did the mockup.
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@ oh_riginal
was the "Han Solo Prediction" also from you ?
interesting, I had always thought he used his instruments, scanners and therefore could say that behind the ridge would be a cave ...
Yeah, I did that one too, and plenty more, though a lot of them were blocked by youtube.
In one of those prediction videos (there was two) I put a mockup of having the little screen in the middle of the cockpit lit up to show that it was functioning. I figured it might be a subtle fix for what bugs me about the timing of his dialogue and the reveal of the cave. But I wouldn't be surprised if it goes unchanged altogether, and it's something I can live with.
Edit: Upon realizing that this was one of the unblocked videos, I decided to supply the link. The mockup I speak of can be seen around the 1:54 mark. It's a rough idea, but one I'd still like to see, and it would be one of the easier changes to add in at the last second, if Ady decided to use it.
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I don't think anything needs to be altered with this... When Han actually points and peeps over the dashboard the nose of the falcon is up in the air. Han has to actually spring up and look over. So he would be able to see over the rim of the canyon at this point. When Leia says "What looks pretty good" Han has already started flying towards what he has spotted and decided to dive back down totally changing the angle and making the Cave hidden because of the change in trajectory.
When Han Flys over the rim he then re-confirms that "Yeah, that will do nicely" because he has only just spotted again what he only caught a glimpse of when he was flying up higher.
Although he does point in the completely wrong direction I will give you that. To fix that all that is needed is to show the starfield going right to left in 2d animation to fix this
On this shot... If Han points to the right then the cave is on the wrong side unless we give the impression he was turning.. So for those brief moments when he goes up out the first canyon and and before he dips back down the starfield needs to go from right to left.
and will have to be quite a sharp turn also
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Ronster I admire your effort and your observation level is very high! Keep it up! I think you are a great asset to any faneditor.
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Thanks Nifamol... I can't believe the bluescreen goof ups i have seen recently.
So big they are hard to spot but somone was not communicating properly with on set and blue screen as there are quite a few problems with the blue screen being the wrong way around or the footage. Well a few have reared their ugly head better than before it is too late assuming something is done about them.
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well I doubt this is possible doing a turn looking at the Revisited asteroid chase so I guess that means re-position the cave and well a lot of hard work for that to make sense...And stop Han from looking like a wally
Damn why so many monumental cock ups of the highest order in the original?
On Set Audio was used in this scene for the device Leia is trying to lock in to place. It sounds really hollow and on the final time she bangs it into where it is actually meant to lock in and hurts her finger there is no click or sense that she actually managed to do it.
Please can this be fixed with a few simple sounds to enhance the scene and stop it from sounding so cheap and hollow from the poor on set mix audio. It sounds like the noise of the prop on set and has no weight to it but Carrie acts it well. All the other sounds I think are fine.
I know it sounds trivial but sometimes the small things....
example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gnHTyyDDHY
0:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3brybfozQU
Nothing set in mind just not so hollow as it is in the film but of course subtle and not loud and altering pitch is obviously an option but at the same or similar volume as it is now.
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Ronster said:
On Set Audio was used in this scene for the device Leia is trying to lock in to place. It sounds really hollow and on the final time she bangs it into where it is actually meant to lock in and hurts her finger there is no click or sense that she actually managed to do it.
Please can this be fixed with a few simple sounds to enhance the scene and stop it from sounding so cheap and hollow from the poor on set mix audio. It sounds like the noise of the prop on set and has no weight to it but Carrie acts it well. All the other sounds I think are fine.
I know it sounds trivial but sometimes the small things....
example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gnHTyyDDHY
0:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3brybfozQU
Nothing set in mind just not so hollow as it is in the film but of course subtle and not loud and altering pitch is obviously an option but at the same or similar volume as it is now.
I always thought it sounded wrong as well. It sounds like plastic, or something similar, rather than some mechanical part likely made of steel or some other type of metal.
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Ronster said:
oh_riginal said:
brimforge said:
@ oh_riginal
was the "Han Solo Prediction" also from you ?
interesting, I had always thought he used his instruments, scanners and therefore could say that behind the ridge would be a cave ...
Yeah, I did that one too, and plenty more, though a lot of them were blocked by youtube.
In one of those prediction videos (there was two) I put a mockup of having the little screen in the middle of the cockpit lit up to show that it was functioning. I figured it might be a subtle fix for what bugs me about the timing of his dialogue and the reveal of the cave. But I wouldn't be surprised if it goes unchanged altogether, and it's something I can live with.
Edit: Upon realizing that this was one of the unblocked videos, I decided to supply the link. The mockup I speak of can be seen around the 1:54 mark. It's a rough idea, but one I'd still like to see, and it would be one of the easier changes to add in at the last second, if Ady decided to use it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKGFj5OYY9Q
I don't think anything needs to be altered with this... When Han actually points and peeps over the dashboard the nose of the falcon is up in the air. Han has to actually spring up and look over. So he would be able to see over the rim of the canyon at this point. When Leia says "What looks pretty good" Han has already started flying towards what he has spotted and decided to dive back down totally changing the angle and making the Cave hidden because of the change in trajectory.
I ask that you please watch the link, as I did the pause/play-by-play for this exact purpose of showing that what you are saying is inaccurate. The timing of the dialogue does not match what he could physically see with his own eyes.
Now, if he's using instruments and gadgets, that's something else entirely. What you are saying is that he can see over his dash that there is a cave because the nose is tilted up, when the only reason the ship is in that position is because he is moving up to clear the canyon wall he just flew over, but all he'd be able to see is just the next canyon, if anything at all. He would not be able to see the cave located IN the canyon.
I've always been bugged by this small moment in the film, and likely always will be, which is why I went through the effort of making it as clear as possible why it bothers me. I feel the clip accurately portrays my complaint with the scene, and Han Solo could not possibly have known about the cave, so unless it is help from his ship's gadgets, I feel it is simply a continuity error caused by the timing of dialogue spoken in front of a blue screen, in which the footage of the Falcon's flight was placed in a manner where it does not match the timing of the words being said.
I'll give you the point of Han's pointing being way off center. That is definitely true, and not something I picked up on, surprisingly.
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we all have our own gripes and personally speaking I now have more gripes than when I first came here.
We have to remember this is Adywans project, I have done all I can do and I think I have finished with looking at it and looking for "problems".
It's certainly true that you can sometimes concoct problems the more you look at it, but fleshing it out on here is what it is all about. I did watch your clip quite a few times before commenting on it and I decided that I don't agree on this one although that said I have seen your other clips and think they are entirely valid and good ideas but in watching your video spotted something else entirely only because of the pauses you put in the video that I have never seen before.
Now I will only wait for more clips, stills or info and I don't have any more things to look at personally. I feel that I have finished with my own analysis.
but that does not mean I can't bring up an old idea that got lost in the star destroyer / Executor debate.
Oh No Luke is in some real Danger here... Not only has he fallen out onto the underside of cloud city tie fighters are attacking... Ties swarming can be achieved with few visuals and inferred with sound as Luke looks about as he tries to climb.
A Blast from a tie fighter attacking cloud city knocks Luke down so he is only hanging from his legs... "Ben.... Please"
"Bring my shuttle".... Rumble Rumble (Because cloud city is being attacked)
Tie Fighters start to destroy the cloud cars... This is achieved using ROTJ celebration footage but not all of it we don't see the crowd celebrating.
Yes those tie fighters are dangerous....(1.5 seconds max to show this)
The Falcon comes Back... I Have to say I love this Idea and it's a lot more optimistic than looking for problems...It is now dangerous to go back too.
Lando says "What about those fighters"
Oh those fighters that are actually causing a lot of Havoc and are not only putting Lukes life in Danger but are tearing the place up.
Ady if you want this idea it's yours if you want it, you don't even have to credit me... But I love it...And perhaps you have had it yourself then that reaffirms it. If you think it is too radical I understand but I still love this idea.
Back to Fantasy and away from some grim reality.
I have not the skill to pull this off but if I was going to ask anyone.. You are the man to ask of course.
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Amazing! I always had in mind the fighters were patrolling the skies, so they can spot and capture the falcon again back to vader. After I saw your edited images, I prefer your version for the chaos.
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There is nothing wrong with the original but to increase tension ten fold that is what I would do if I could. I read talk of having ties flying about when they are running away in the early days of the thread and I think that is too early we need the falcon to escape first... But i don't think it is bad idea just perhaps it may have been ditched entirely?
THe thing I like most about this is that it does not go too far over the top.. Like a lot of films do today but It also feels like because of Lando's line "What about those fighters" the whole scene was also undersold perhaps due to budget restrictions.
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So, no one ever wants this edit to be released, I see how it is! ;-)
But seriously, it's really late in the game for new sequences of this magnatude *points flipper*
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version 2? It's not too much work but I am seriously no expert... As a lot will be inferred with sound effects. Assuming you like the idea?
But seriously I understand I just wanted to cheer everyone up
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doubleofive said:
So, no one ever wants this edit to be released, I see how it is! ;-)
But seriously, it's really late in the game for new sequences of this magnatude *points flipper*
Oh so very late! I'm more eager than ever to finally see the edit!
However, I'll comment on the idea anyway. If TIEs were to be added to the sequence, I wouldn't want to see them underneath Cloud City while Luke is hanging. The whole point of that scene is that Luke has been beaten literally to his lowest point, and it's meant to feel like defeat, hopelessness, and it only uplifts when he reaches out to Leia with the force. Before that, you see him just a few slips from falling into a gas giant to his death, with nothing but a wire holding him up. There's no open doors for him to reach. His lightsaber is gone... seeing a bunch of action in the background would be distracting from that I think. That would bring the focus of the feeling of the scene to Cloud City, and pull away from Luke.
Just my thoughts on that particular detail.
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that is a fair point... I would actually say you would not need to see any either... hint hint.
Hear them perhaps but not see them.
I get you though but to install a sense of that luke is in some really big do do and not just hanging there and slipping away for no reason other than hopelessness well I already said it all.
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Luke seems to be on the verge of dying of a broken heart.
::scurries away::
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I agree with oh_riginal. Though Star Wars is an action/sci-fi epic, you have to have a few scenes that focus solely on the emotional state of the characters. I think what makes the scene so moving (for me, at least) is that Luke has hit rock bottom - no weapons, one hand missing, can't climb, etc. The tension is in whether he has the strength to hold on long enough until Leia comes back for him - the pressure is completely on him. To me, this is much more intense and emotionally engaging than "I sure hope one of those TIE fighters doesn't shoot that wire he's hanging on."
Sometimes you have to have less action in order to tell a more powerful story.
@ Kapheen - thank goodness he didn't lose the will to live before Lando showed up. :)
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doubleofive said:
But seriously, it's really late in the game for new sequences of this magnatude *points flipper*
Destroyed..... By the empire..
For some reason I actually sense a hint of real seriousness about this... Hmmm getting close
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BlueCardinal said:
@ Kapheen - thank goodness he didn't lose the will to live before Lando showed up. :)
It runs in the family don'tchaknow.
Just so I am not just a complete troll, I will throw my two cents in and say that the TIE Fighters are not necessary in this scene, and would just take away from the plight of Luke being at his very lowest.
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fair do's peeps...
perhaps I am overdoing it with this thought....
Blame Lando though not me ok
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It's a cool idea Ronster. Don't get me wrong. Just the wrong circumstance.
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I am not bruised don't worry...
Only 18 Pages to go...
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Cool idea, but I guess too late in the game if we still want to see esbr this year.
I wonder how many cool ideas AdY does like but they fall in the category of 'this would take forever to do and might not be quite worth it'?