STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 499

I think the reason for the low quality special edition effects is bc computers back then couldn’t render in 4k. Unless Disney updates them, they’re stuck in the resolution they were made in.
But yeah I noticed the same thing. Part of what makes me stick to D+77/80/83 is the 97 effects just look putrid in the 2019 versions (I prefer to watch oohteedee’s regrades of those versions when watching the OT).
I wouldn’t object to something like adding digital Dewbacks so much if they could look at all like they exist in the same plane of existence.

TheBoogeyman1023 said:
That’s bizarre. I wonder if Disney is sitting on another edition they plan to roll out in the future. Maybe 50th anniversary? It’s only a few years away. I can’t imagine they would do a theater only regrade.

I’d love to belive there doing another edition. but restoration? unlikely. Remember Disney/lucasfilm sat on the 4K restoration for 8 years! and technically didn’t even have 4k in mind when they originally scanned it in 2012. It’s as if 4k blu-rays becoming popular was just lucky for Disney. so for them to go out of their way to do another restoration is unlikely.

G&G-Fan said:

I think the reason for the low quality special edition effects is bc computers back then couldn’t render in 4k. Unless Disney updates them, they’re stuck in the resolution they were made in.
But yeah I noticed the same thing. Part of what makes me stick to D+77/80/83 is the 97 effects just look putrid in the 2019 versions (I prefer to watch oohteedee’s regrades of those versions when watching the OT).
I wouldn’t object to something like adding digital Dewbacks so much if they could look at all like they exist in the same plane of existence.

If that’s the case then why does that shot in 2011 blu-ray look so much better? and why do the foreground elements look so sharp and clear? it’s as if they re-rendered those elements but didn’t do anything to the background.

That guy with no name said:

TheBoogeyman1023 said:
That’s bizarre. I wonder if Disney is sitting on another edition they plan to roll out in the future. Maybe 50th anniversary? It’s only a few years away. I can’t imagine they would do a theater only regrade.

I’d love to belive there doing another edition. but restoration? unlikely. Remember Disney/lucasfilm sat on the 4K restoration for 8 years! and technically didn’t even have 4k in mind when they originally scanned it in 2012. It’s as if 4k blu-rays becoming popular was just lucky for Disney. so for them to go out of their way to do another restoration is unlikely.

I never said restoration. I don’t have that much hope lol. I was thinking more along the lines of them reusing the 2012 scans with a shiny new coat of paint.

TheBoogeyman1023 said:

That guy with no name said:

TheBoogeyman1023 said:
That’s bizarre. I wonder if Disney is sitting on another edition they plan to roll out in the future. Maybe 50th anniversary? It’s only a few years away. I can’t imagine they would do a theater only regrade.

I’d love to belive there doing another edition. but restoration? unlikely. Remember Disney/lucasfilm sat on the 4K restoration for 8 years! and technically didn’t even have 4k in mind when they originally scanned it in 2012. It’s as if 4k blu-rays becoming popular was just lucky for Disney. so for them to go out of their way to do another restoration is unlikely.

I never said restoration. I don’t have that much hope lol. I was thinking more along the lines of them reusing the 2012 scans with a shiny new coat of paint.

Even that would require “effort” on Disney’s part. Which they’ve proved time and time again they aren’t willing to give. But we can still hope.

That guy with no name said:

If that’s the case then why does that shot in 2011 blu-ray look so much better? and why do the foreground elements look so sharp and clear? it’s as if they re-rendered those elements but didn’t do anything to the background.

I was thinking that bc the 2019 ones are higher resolution the old CG just sticks out more as dated. I’m not really all too knowledgeable about film restoration so.

G&G-Fan said:

That guy with no name said:

If that’s the case then why does that shot in 2011 blu-ray look so much better? and why do the foreground elements look so sharp and clear? it’s as if they re-rendered those elements but didn’t do anything to the background.

I was thinking that bc the 2019 ones are higher resolution the old CG just sticks out more as dated. I’m not really all too knowledgeable about film restoration so.

yeah, but in that case it would have to at least look the same as the Blu-ray which it somehow doesn’t. the clarity of that shot on 4k is like 1/3 the clarity in the Blu-ray. but the foreground is razor-sharp and extremely clear. and i’m 90% sure they were shifted in the shot slightly too, but don’t quote me on that.

The entrance to Mos Eisley shot is very baffling to me as to how bad it looks. Now this shot was redone for the 2004 DVDs from the version seen in 1997. The 2020 is using this version and not the 97 version, so why should it lack so much of the detail that is seen in the 2004 DVD’s / 2011 blu-rays? But what makes things even worse is that they recreated this shot especially for the latest version, basing it on the 2004/2011 version. But they horizontally stretched the image. You can see that the rats and the speeder have been recomposited. The speeder has been slightly shifted to the right. But this redone shot looks so much worse than something that was done 16 years previous. Makes no sense whatsoever.

2004/2011

2020

adywan said:

The entrance to Mos Eisley’s shot is very baffling to me as to how bad it looks.

perhaps this was done for the scrapped 3D conversion?
perhaps they needed things to be in different layers to accomplish that?
just a theory, it looks disgusting either way.

I went to see Rogue One a couple weeks ago for the re-release and the film seemed different, the colour grading was more vibrant and the special effects seemed less videogame like, especially on Scarif during the battle above in space and below the shield wall on the planet, and during the Eadu X-Wing battle too. I also thought that more dialogue was added as well. Maybe I am seeing things, but it seemed better if you know what I mean.

Just got back from seeing ROTJ at the cinema. I’ve now seen all 3 and while ANH & Empire had a noticeably improved colour grade for most of the films, ROTJ was exactly the same as the blu-ray. The static grain also jumped out at you, whereas the other two it was minimised, unlike the blu-rays. Now these were all seen at the same cinema and on the same screen, so its not just a case of they look better because they’re projected through a high end system.

Since we were discussing the odd lack of detail of the 1997 CGI shoots in the 2019 versions, I wonder if one could restore it using 4K97 for those shots? Since it’s be a scan of the actual film print it’d probably be the highest resolution out there for those shots.

G&G-Fan said:

Since we were discussing the odd lack of detail of the 1997 CGI shoots in the 2019 versions, I wonder if one could restore it using 4K97 for those shots? Since it’s be a scan of the actual film print it’d probably be the highest resolution out there for those shots.

Is this a valid solution or was I talking out of my ass?

G&G-Fan said:

G&G-Fan said:

Since we were discussing the odd lack of detail of the 1997 CGI shoots in the 2019 versions, I wonder if one could restore it using 4K97 for those shots? Since it’s be a scan of the actual film print it’d probably be the highest resolution out there for those shots.

Is this a valid solution or was I talking out of my ass?

All valid points indeed, but I think it takes a while for people to reply on here anymore. I remember in the ye olden days on OT dot com when it was heaving with people on Adywan’s threads and posts, now it’s a mere trickle… 🤔

Just wanted to chime in and bring up something that I hope might worthwhile? So we have an intern at work who is a computer guy and a big SW fan and yet, to my surprise, had never even heard of this project. So I talked about the goals of the edit, its history, and where things are now, and just to further convince him of the level of work being put into this, I went back in here to show off some of the more recent comparisons which Ady posted. Needless to say he was of course very impressed and so going forward I do hope he will watch Ady’s career with great interest, but (now getting to the point) he did make a good suggestion, to which I agree, about a particular detail concerning two of the shots on the Death Star during the final battle.

In the following two gifs, the camera is stationary and fixed on the Death Star, and we also know that the Death Star is currently moving while orbiting around Yavin, so what he pointed out was shouldn’t we see a subtle movement of the stars in the background in shots like these?:

https://i.postimg.cc/j2WMdn1d/2.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/BbGCs72N/5.gif

I know the above shots are quick, and someone could also try arguing that the Death Star is moving in a direction that is just away from the stars so they would only appear still in space, etc., but I have to still very much agree that seeing a subtle star movement could be a nice touch and in line with other fixes made. I do think, though, for any of the shots where the camera is moving n’ rolling all around, the eyes won’t really pick up on whether or not the stars are shifting, just only whenever the camera is static. I’m sure Ady is likely nearing the homestretch for the edit and probably even getting anxious for it to be finished (especially with the recent health conditions that have come up [which I was very shocked and sorry to recently read about, but especially relieved to hear it seems to have subsided!]), so no worries at all if not, but just thought this idea was, at the very least, worth a mention and consideration if, Ady, you agree and only if it was easy to implement 😄