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Thanks to everyone and their feedback on my idea! Well, it wasn’t entirely my idea-…but you know what I mean!

It’s funny what you said in your latest post, adywan because…
After reading CC and adywans posts and after actually watching the ESB scene again…I’d have to agree with them. It *does* make since to have the ESB scene in ANH…or at least the new DVD dialogue. Vader does need to find out in ANH and using the new dialogue is gonna be the best and easiest way to do it.
Using only the new dialogue, let me just share a quick idea…

Vader: "What is thy bidding, my master?"

Palpatine: "I have no doubt…THAT…the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star…is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

Vader: "How is that possible?"

Palpatine: "Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You know it to be true.”
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I know that that first Palpatine sentence is a little bit longer this way. But if you leave it as it is…

Vader: "What is thy bidding, my master?"
Palpatine: "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

…It just sounds incomplete.
Finding Palpatine saying the word “that” might be difficult. I watched a little of episode 3 and all I could find was him saying: “than” and “last”. But you might be able to piece those together.

Adywan, the trailer is freaking awesome! I don’t know how many times I’ve watched it now! This is how I’ve imagined the film looking for so long! Thank you for being the one to do it!

Another question about the edit: Are you changing anything in the trash compactor scene?
It has always bothered me that the walls shake and change places and paces, you know what I mean? They seem different in almost every shot.
For me personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing a few shots from that scene trimmed a bit.
Kind of like what you’re doing with the duel. Just trim some of the ugly pieces…

P.S. I read CC's and your post and now I’m not sure about the Vader scene anymore!

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Ady, i have been following this thread and your work for a while now and i must say the work you've done and are still doing is amazing.

I just thought i'd add my two cents. I honestly don't think that the Emperor/Vader scene from ESB should be in ANH. It just doesn't fit.

I think that Gorilla's ideas for the reworking of the dialogue when you get round to ESB is probably the best way to go.

BUT i do like the idea of the Imperial Officer hologram as Vader approachs Coruscant/Imperial navel base/somewhere (BUT NOT Executer!) and i agree with its possible placement between Luke arriving triumphant back on Yavin 4 and the medal ceremony if that works.

Now if you have the conversation with Vader telling the officer that he'll tell the Emperor about Skywalker, then maybe with the ESB scene you could go with Gorilla's ideas but maybe keep the new dialogue when the Emperor tells Vader its the offspring of Anakin Skywalker and Vader says "How is that possible?" and the Emperor Saying "search your feelings ...etc...He could destroy us". and then with those two pieces we will have to assume that Vader never did talk to the emperor about Luke. That he had a possible motive of finding Luke first without the Emperor's knowledge and bringing the Emperor down together.

I think that would make a great addition to the way Vader is thinking and his relationship with the Emperor at that point.

Now if that doesn't seem to make sense or sit very well with everyone, how bout still adding the Imp Officer and Vader as has been suggested in ANH with Vader offering to tell the Emperor himself, and then in ESB when you do it go with all Gorilla's dialogue changes, Vader doesn't ask how its possible he just goes "Yes master" like in the original. That way we get the impression that they both knew about Luke but maybe haven't really discussed it. And there we still get an undertone that Vader wanted to find Luke first before the Emperor got involved. Especially ,as been pointed out already, he uses Skywalkers name at the very beginning of ESB when he's sending the probes everywhere.

Just a suggestion and i know i haven't explained myself enough probably but i hope you get the idea.
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Adywan, I found something that I have never noticed before but definitely needs to be fixed. It is after Han, Luke, and Leia arrive on Yavan, and Leia meets the commander and says "There is no time for sorrows, Commander. We have to process the information on this artoo unit."
After this little exchange it switched to R2 waddling around. His projector is on the wrong side of his dome. It looks like Lucas had the shot reversed during editing of the film. Anyways, here is a image of what I am talking about:


http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4881/vlcsnap920124jg4.jpg

This happens at: 1 hr. 38 min. 51 sec. to about 1 hr. 38 min. 57 sec. on the NTSC 2004 DVD


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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Adywan, I found something that I have never noticed before but definitely needs to be fixed. It is after Han, Luke, and Leia arrive on Yavan, and Leia meets the commander and says "There is no time for sorrows, Commander. We have to process the information on this artoo unit."
After this little exchange it switched to R2 waddling around. His projector is on the wrong side of his dome. It looks like Lucas had the shot reversed during editing of the film.


The film is also reversed while Leia speaks those lines. Just look at Hans holster. I've flipped these shots back so no more reverse issues. Also the shot of the X-wings in the hanger has been flipped for continuity, But i'm altering that shot anyway.

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SSR: It looks like we're just confusing ourselves back and forth.

That's why I suggested to Adywan he try tot do both ending if it isn't too much trouble. That way we could get the one he likes best in the movie, and the other in a deleted scene.

There is of of course a third option that might be superior to both, however. Why not have the 2004 ESB dialogue take place IN Vader's cockpit. Assuming an Emperor hologram could be inserted in the shots (there are plenty to choose from, and his face could be shrouded in shadow to avoid lip-sync problems), I really think that would be the best way to go. It gets Palpatine in the film, it doesn't use an ESB scene, it incorporates the "Vader returns to Coruscant" idea, and it relys important dialogue that would be otherwise out of place. It would also negate the need to film a fan in an Imperial uniform, which might prove to be a difficult thing to lock down.

So what do you say, Adywan?
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
SSR: It looks like we're just confusing ourselves back and forth.

That's why I suggested to Adywan he try tot do both ending if it isn't too much trouble. That way we could get the one he likes best in the movie, and the other in a deleted scene.

There is of of course a third option that might be superior to both, however. Why not have the 2004 ESB dialogue take place IN Vader's cockpit. Assuming an Emperor hologram could be inserted in the shots (there are plenty to choose from, and his face could be shrouded in shadow to avoid lip-sync problems), I really think that would be the best way to go. It gets Palpatine in the film, it doesn't use an ESB scene, it incorporates the "Vader returns to Coruscant" idea, and it relys important dialogue that would be otherwise out of place. It would also negate the need to film a fan in an Imperial uniform, which might prove to be a difficult thing to lock down.

So what do you say, Adywan?


I vote for the third option. It would be easy to shroud the emperor's face, Magnoliafan did it in his edits of Episode 1 and 2. Also, I don't really like the idea of filming someone dressed as an imperial, because this will be an important scene and needs to be serious. The moment someone realizes that it is just a fan dressed as an imperial, it will pull the viewer out of the moment.


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I was watching DE's excellent edit this morning and I remembered one thing that might use your expertise. Right before the Falcon blasts it way out of Mos Eisley, Han and a bunch of stormies exchange some shots, there is some stuff blowing up and they take off. The trooper closest to the falcon is running towards the falcon when an explosion behind him knocks him over. The only thing is, he's just jumping in the air, he topples over and lays there. It just looks goofy. And the take is repeated in the film, so you see the same action cut in pieces. Is there anything that can be done with this? Maybe a blast actually hitting him or some debris knocking him over?
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Have you fixed or can you fix the scene in Luke's garage when C-3P0 jumps as R2 displays the Leia message the first time? Luke says something like "Well my little friend you've got some nice carbon scoring here." He then turns to 3-P0 and aks him "Were you on a something-or-other" and R2 knocks Luke back and starts playing Leia's message. Just before Artoo starts the projection 3-P0 falls/hops from where he is standing to the lower area where Luke and R2 are. Ever since I learned of this little error I notice it every time I watch the movie. It would be great if you could do something about this.

Thanks.
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poor adywan is never going to finish this if ppl keep finding these things. do you guys sleep?

FE<3OT

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Well, I've been out of commission for a bit, but I don't know if I could have come back to a better trailer for my viewing pleasure. The one downside is that you won't be releasing anything else until the finished edit -- I'm so excited to see it, Adywan! It looks so good! I particularly enjoyed the fixed lightsabers -- but I'm guessing you knew that I felt that way.

With regards to the scene at the end -- might it be possible to build it into the DVD as a bridging scene? That way, we could have the option of watching the film with or without it, and that would satisfy both sides of the discussion regarding its placement in your edit (I am of the opinion of not putting it in, though I am starting to be more in favor of seeing it in some way, at least).

And I'm so excited that you're planning on doing this for the rest of the trilogy! Finally -- proper lightsabers for the whole saga!

Take care,
Sojourn
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I did ask before but got no reply.
There's a scene where there's a grain of sand on Chewies foot. That's bugged me for 30 years, please could you remove it. Also I've noticed that there are to many stars when viewing from the Falcon's cockpit. Maybe airbrush a few of those baby's out. Then the film will be perfect! Cheers.






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I'm still wondering if the old car battery visible between 3PO and R2 wil be erased...no one ever did answer that one.
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Sorry to bring up the whole adding a "Vader/Luke revelation" scene to ANH again. I'm just concerned because I don't want to see ESB diminished in any way. I think most can agree that ESB is by far the superior film of the entire saga. It's as close to perfection as possible and it would break my heart for it to be tarnished. The Vader/Emperor scene in ESB is powerful and poignant right where it is. I would hate for it to be treated with undue respect. I'll be honest, I absolutely hate the prequels and I totally ignore their existence. I don't care about trying to tie all six movies together. To me there's just the OT and that's it. The PT is so messed up that it's beyond help and I can live without it. But I would like to see the mistakes of the Special Editions be fixed so we get the best possible version of the OT as possible. The story of the OT is great and I love it as is. The PT needs to be rewritten not the OT. Again I apologize for beating a dead horse. Maybe I care a little too much but putting in any kind of "Vader discovers Luke" scene in ANH is making me nervous.
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Originally posted by: Gorilla
Sorry to bring up the whole adding a "Vader/Luke revelation" scene to ANH again. I'm just concerned because I don't want to see ESB diminished in any way. I think most can agree that ESB is by far the superior film of the entire saga. It's as close to perfection as possible and it would break my heart for it to be tarnished. The Vader/Emperor scene in ESB is powerful and poignant right where it is. I would hate for it to be treated with undue respect.

I think you may have misunderstood what i am trying to do with this scene. I am not removing the scene as it should be in ESB but using some of the new dialogue, with some other, to create a different scene. At the beginning of ESB we learn that vader is desperately searching for Luke and he refers to him as "Skywalker" by name well before the Emperor scene. If Lucas had kept the original dialogue for the Emperor scene as it was then I wouldn't have even considered adding this scene to ANH. But he screwed it up by changing it. Now it has ruined what i use to consider a good scene. I want to redo the scene when i reach my version of ESB to closer match its original intent. To think that Vader or the Emperor wouldn't have known that Luke could well be his son prior to ESB doesn't wash with me and i think THAT spoils what ESB has become. By adding a small scene where The Emperor tells Vader about Luke or a scene where Vader discovers the identity of Luke cannot treat ESB with disrespect, as you stated. personally i think it adds to it.

I'm not into adding scenes just for the hell of it and thats why the Jabba scene has gone from my edit. It was a completely redundant scene and was only added in, in my opinion, to say "look here's Jabba. Look what we can do with Computer Graphics.." And Han stepping on Jabbas tail... don't get me started on that one.

Adding a small revelation scene to ANH then leads directly to ESB. It helps show how obsessed Vader becomes with finding his son. Dispatching thousands of probe droids wasn't just to find the rebels, but to find Luke. He wouldn't be so obsessed with one person just because they pulled the trigger that destroyed the Death Star. Also the scene still wouldn't give anything of the reveal in ESB. The Emperor says "I'm have no doubt that this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." he doesn't say " your son", So again it does't change the story in any way. ANH, as it stands, Ties things up at the end. The Death Star is destroyed and the Rebels celebrate. Thats one thing that i loved about ESB, that it doesn't really end and feels more like one part of an act that a stand alone movie. So, adding a scene where Vader discovers Lukes identity removes the feeling that it is the end of the story and the rebels are pretty safe because you know that Vader is going to do what he can to find Luke without revealing that it is his son, and leads directly to ESB.

Originally posted by: GorillaI'll be honest, I absolutely hate the prequels and I totally ignore their existence. I don't care about trying to tie all six movies together.

But this is the whole reason i started this project in the first place and with you stating that would probably mean that this edit would not be for you. I love the OT and "like" the PT, but it has so many problems. I am redoing ALL 6 films so that they flow together better than they do now, but without destroying the magic of the OT. I will be heavily re-editing the PT and hopefully fix the main problems with it. For one thing, 3p0 will NOT be built by Anakin and he won't appear until ROTS where he would be introduced as a protocol droid serving Senator Padme and not built to help someones mother. The having him call anakin "master" wouldn't be a problem because Padme and Anakin are a couple and Padme would have instructed 3p0 to obey Anakin as well. the whole 3P0 thing was one of the things that ruined the PT for me and changing this is just one step i will be doing to take the PT down a better path.

As i said before, this whole new Vader scene, however i finally go about it, will only end up in my final version if it adds to the story and not just because its something new, like what seems to have happened with the Special Editions & the 2004 DVD set.

Originally posted by: Uncanny Antman
I'm still wondering if the old car battery visible between 3PO and R2 wil be erased...no one ever did answer that one.

I'm not too sure where this appears. If you could give me either a time frame or what scene it appears in then i will have a look at this and see if it needs to be fixed.

Originally posted by: Sluggo
I was watching DE's excellent edit this morning and I remembered one thing that might use your expertise. Right before the Falcon blasts it way out of Mos Eisley, Han and a bunch of stormies exchange some shots, there is some stuff blowing up and they take off. The trooper closest to the falcon is running towards the falcon when an explosion behind him knocks him over. The only thing is, he's just jumping in the air, he topples over and lays there. It just looks goofy. And the take is repeated in the film, so you see the same action cut in pieces. Is there anything that can be done with this? Maybe a blast actually hitting him or some debris knocking him over?


he now gets hit by a lasr blast, same as the last officer to get killed in the detention cell scene where there is an explosion on the wall behind him and he falls down the stairs but wasn't actually hit. he now gets hit.

Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
Have you fixed or can you fix the scene in Luke's garage when C-3P0 jumps as R2 displays the Leia message the first time? Luke says something like "Well my little friend you've got some nice carbon scoring here." He then turns to 3-P0 and aks him "Were you on a something-or-other" and R2 knocks Luke back and starts playing Leia's message. Just before Artoo starts the projection 3-P0 falls/hops from where he is standing to the lower area where Luke and R2 are. Ever since I learned of this little error I notice it every time I watch the movie. It would be great if you could do something about this.


This is something that doesn't bother me and unless you are looking for it then it just looks like 3P0 gets startled by Luke jumping back & the appearence of the hologram.

Originally posted by: HotRod
I did ask before but got no reply.
There's a scene where there's a grain of sand on Chewies foot. That's bugged me for 30 years, please could you remove it. Also I've noticed that there are to many stars when viewing from the Falcon's cockpit. Maybe airbrush a few of those baby's out. Then the film will be perfect! Cheers.

Joking of course


Yeh, thats been fixed. I've also added a few Gungan pilots to the X-Wings. Chewie now farts as they leave the trash compactor, so he runs away from the smell and not because he's a coward so it fits in with the theme in the PT, added a car stereo to Luke's landspeeder so its more up to date, added..........


....as if.

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Oh, Adywan. Always the jokester . . .

. . . though, the thought about the Gungans in the X-Wings would make sense -- I always wondered what happened to them between the PT and the OT. Looks like you've managed to bridge the one remaining plot hole that stood between the true uniting of the two trilogies . . .



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Sojourn
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Long time have I watched this thread...

Just wanted to chime in and say that this project actually has me excited about Star Wars again, for some reason...can't wait to see the final result.
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That's actually quite a good idea. I mean, not a Gungan, but the rebels could do with having a few more aliens in them. And probably one of the easiest places to drop in an alien would be into the cockpit of one of the X-Wings.
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Originally posted by: adywan

Originally posted by: Uncanny Antman
I'm still wondering if the old car battery visible between 3PO and R2 wil be erased...no one ever did answer that one.


I'm not too sure where this appears. If you could give me either a time frame or what scene it appears in then i will have a look at this and see if it needs to be fixed.


0:43:18 NTSC '04 version. As the landspeeder crosses from screen left to right, you can see the top of an old car battery sitting between 3PO and R2. Keep watching, as the angle soon reveals the entire battery, just sitting there for all to see. Who knew landspeeder tech was so...Earth-like.
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It runs between 43:18 and 43:20. Honestly, is it more distracting than the gold foil they taped to Anthony Daniel's hip to cover up a gap in the costume?
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No, it isn't. But 3PO's crappy butt doesn't erase the battery from view either.

Anyway, I mentioned it purely for the sake of completeness. Adywan is kicking all sorts of ass on this, so it'd be a shame to miss a few easy fixes.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that production design based on a limited budget should necessarily be regarded as something that needs to be changed.

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Please forgive me guys…I’m trying to play catch-up here…I’m without consistent Internet access…
OK, adding the ESB scene to ANH:
I don’t think it is out of place and I don’t really care about the look of Vader’s suit. It’s close enough.
But that’s just me. And I’m probably in the minority…

Maybe this is needed, but here’s MY problem with the way the scene is now (in ESB SE DVD):

Vader: What is thy bidding my master?
Palpatine: There is a great disturbance in the force.
Vader: I have felt it.
- - -Oh! This sounds interesting! Let’s continue…
Palpatine: The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
- - -OK, wait a minute. Palps is just NOW bringing up the Death Star? After all this time? This seems odd-…
Vader: How is that possible?
- - -OK, WAIT! What is going on here? If Vader can sense Luke has a twin sister (ROTJ), why can’t he sense his son in the first place?
Is Vader playing dumb? I think we all assume so. But why? Well, he’s been searching for “Skywalker” from the beginning of the film-…Wait, we don’t really have time to reflect on it, because here comes the next line…
Palpatine: “Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You will know it to be true.”
It’s confusing and kind of convoluted.

I guess that’s why I like these lines of dialogue in ANH because these questions don’t come up. Palps can bring up the Death Star and offspring subject and it doesn’t feel out of place. Vader can question the probability of it because he hasn’t started to hunt Luke down. This actually BECOMES the reason Vader hunts down Luke.

I think I like your 3rd suggestion/option, CC. My only concern is that Palps wouldn’t look very threatening/menacing/emperor-y if we had to squish him into Vader’s TIE. But I DO think it’s still an option.

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Vader: What is thy bidding my master?
Palpatine: There is a great disturbance in the force.
Vader: No shit...The death star just blew up.

seriously tho, I'm all for adding some form of hologram discussion as Vader flees in his tie.