Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 29

Bingowings said:

Bossk’s peeps were in the Cantina. Though his mask is much more articulate and his toes were impeccable.

Funny enough, those are actually a “Trandoshan subspecies” known as Saurin.

Bingowings said:

Bossk’s peeps were in the Cantina. Though his mask is much more articulate and his toes were impeccable.

As was some guy who stole his yellow spacesuit. 😉

adywan said:

The Dark Empire said:

I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.

Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉

Technically sandtroopers they were just stormtroopers with some extra gear, which is how it should be in most cases. Since stormtroopers were supposed to be elite units, I am still waiting to see regular army. It would be much better instead of some new dumb ideas.

In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.

I had no problem with snowtroopers because the change of armour was justified by the extreme conditions. I had no problem with scouttroopers because they were an entirely different type of unit (i.e. not infantry). I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).

imperialscum said:
I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).

Shore Troopers, as they are called, would need to be able to adapt to three different conditions in a small area: wooded area, sand/beach and be able to maneuver in the water. If, like Scout Troopers, they aren’t intended for heavy combat/warfare and are mostly for patrol and peacekeeping, it would make sense that they would have different armor.

Maybe the Death Troopers are Krennic’s personal forces?

DominicCobb said:

Also can we stop calling storm troopers elite troopers? When was that ever the case in the films?

Agreed.
Storm-troopers are just regular troopers. The new Death Troopers, however, are “elite” troopers".

I think the whole calling Storm-troopers “elite” was just a marketing thing back in the 70’s that was used to make them sound cooler. Also before there was more than one movie and a proper EU, I guess some just assumed that they were “elite” based on their armor. After all, in ANH we only see Storm-Troopers directly under Vader’s commander or on the DS.

TV’s Frink said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

Also can we stop calling storm troopers elite troopers? When was that ever the case in the films?

Agreed.
Storm-troopers are just regular troopers. The new Death Troopers however, are “elite” troopers".

I think the whole calling Storm-troopers “elite” was just a marketing thing back in the 7’s that was used to make them sound cooler.

Completely irrelevant but why do you italicize haphazardly like this?

Just a bad habit of mine.
I like to separate my main statements from the rest of what I write; which is often just speculation, or me going off on a tangent.

TV’s Frink said:

That’s not what italics are used for.

That’s why I wrote “bad habit”.
I know it’s strange, it’s just a weird way I’ve ended up organizing my thoughts.

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

adywan said:

The Dark Empire said:

I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.

Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉

Technically sandtroopers they were just stormtroopers with some extra gear, which is how it should be in most cases. Since stormtroopers were supposed to be elite units, I am still waiting to see regular army. It would be much better instead of some new dumb ideas.

In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.

I had no problem with snowtroopers because the change of armour was justified by the extreme conditions. I had no problem with scouttroopers because they were an entirely different type of unit (i.e. not infantry). I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).

Interesting.

Those are navy seals in the diving gear coming from the dive. They would get rid of it after the dive. Shoretrooper armour is a standard outfit for ground combat. The comparison you are trying to make is stupid.

TV’s Frink said:

Sorry to keep harping on this, but it’s not just strange, it’s technically incorrect. Italics are used for emphasis or quoting, not for organizing thoughts.

Surely there’s another method you could use.

Oh, I know it’s incorrect.
But for whatever reason I got it into my head several years ago that text in parenthesis should be in italics. So whenever I add some “extra” information I just instinctively write that in italics as well.

Like I said “bad habit”.

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

adywan said:

The Dark Empire said:

I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.

Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉

Technically sandtroopers they were just stormtroopers with some extra gear, which is how it should be in most cases. Since stormtroopers were supposed to be elite units, I am still waiting to see regular army. It would be much better instead of some new dumb ideas.

In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.

I had no problem with snowtroopers because the change of armour was justified by the extreme conditions. I had no problem with scouttroopers because they were an entirely different type of unit (i.e. not infantry). I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).

Interesting.

Those are navy seals in the diving gear coming from the dive. The comparison you are trying to make is stupid.

Don’t embarrass yourself.

The obvious point is that military forces utilize a variety of different combat gear, including some that are water resistant. This is one example. Don’t know why the Empire would do any different. Shore troopers need armor that isn’t going to waterlog them.

Like I said, navy seals use diving gear as a temporary solution for a very specific purpose (diving). They would drop it after the dive if ground combat was ahead. Shoretrooper armour doesn’t seems like a temporary solution just for diving. It is pretty much a standard outfit they would wear on the ground.

Furthermore, it doesn’t seem like it is waterproof, considering they are wearing rather normal pants. We see stormtroopers out in the space in ANH. Their suits could certainly handle water better than this shoretrooper outfit.

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

adywan said:

The Dark Empire said:

I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.

Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉

Technically sandtroopers they were just stormtroopers with some extra gear, which is how it should be in most cases. Since stormtroopers were supposed to be elite units, I am still waiting to see regular army. It would be much better instead of some new dumb ideas.

In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.

I had no problem with snowtroopers because the change of armour was justified by the extreme conditions. I had no problem with scouttroopers because they were an entirely different type of unit (i.e. not infantry). I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).

Interesting.

Those are navy seals in the diving gear coming from the dive. The comparison you are trying to make is stupid.

Don’t embarrass yourself.

The obvious point is that military forces utilize a variety of different combat gear, including some that are water resistant. This is one example. Don’t know why the Empire would do any different. Shore troopers need armor that isn’t going to waterlog them.

Like I said, navy seals use diving gear as a temporary solution for a very specific purpose (diving). They would drop it after the dive if ground combat was ahead. Shoretrooper armour doesn’t seems like a temporary solution just for diving. It is pretty much a standard outfit they would wear on the ground.

The shore trooper armor is for both environments.

At some point though we have to realize this is all speculation because we haven’t seen the film. But it seems ridiculous to say there’s no possible way to justify the shore trooper when we haven’t seen it in context.

Regardless, I don’t see how one could defend the scout trooper and not the shore. If the scout isn’t general infantry then why is the shore?

Scout trooper uniform is specific for riding the speeders (very different role from infantry), hence they wear pants and their helmet seems to be designed to block side view in order for them to be focused in the front during the high speed manoeuvring. Compared to storm trooper, it makes perfect sense.

On the other hand, shore trooper has exactly the same role as storm trooper (infantry). In addition, none of the adjustments to their outfit make sense or give them any advantage over storm trooper. We see storm troopers in the sand on Tatooine (they can operate on shore). We see them in outer space (they can easily operate under water).

Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant). We came to the same sad observation that I already made some time ago: in TFA where they should have come up with new stuff to satisfy the basic logic of 30 years of development, they rehashed stuff like x-wing vs TIE, and in R1 where they should have stuck to what we see in OT, they came up with redundant new stuff.

imperialscum said:

Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).

Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.

I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.

Also, do we really know that the Shoretroopers are infantry? None of us has seen the film yet, and they even look like Scout Troopers. They could literally just be a tropical variant of scout troopers.
(Also, do we even know yet if “Shore trooper” is the official name?)

Yes, starwars.com lists them as personnel used to patrol the beaches.

Which is probably why they have less armor than Stormtroopers. No space travel, pretty consistent environment, may use different individual transportation.

If you look at some promo pics, Erso is wearing a pseudo Endor Leia disguise. I imagine Shoretroopers are doing the same with Scout Troopers.