Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 22

Tobar said:

C-3PO is an expert in human-cyborg relations. I want to know more about these cyborgs and why they’re seemingly held at arm’s length from the rest of the galaxy. Perhaps cyborgs think they’re better than the non-enhanced?

Well, in the Legends canon they were discriminated against by most people, so it could be that they generally avoid the public.

TV’s Frink said:

I think it’s a pretty large stretch to say he has no head.

Well, maybe not “no head”, but definitely a shorter, flatter head. I doubt it’s a helmet, because if you look closely (I also slowed down the YT video), you can see his “head” swiveling (similarly to R2’s dome head).

dahmage said:

I can’t help but wonder what Vader is thinking in this shot: Wasn’t it Tarken who was in this position before? - watching the orbit of the death star to be ready to destroy the rebel base. that is what this is right? Certainly Vader can’t be feeling too impressed by the death star weapon, or perhaps he is, and this is the moment that caused him to loose faith in technology (did he ever have it) and lead him to not care about the death star power in ANH.

Thoughts? i could be really off base here.

I don’t see how that could be a readout of the Rebel Base (e.g. Yavin). It’s probably Scarif as that’s most likely to be the last planet the DS will orbit in RO.

As for he’s thinking, no clue. Although I personally don’t think he ever lost faith in the DS, I’m pretty sure he never had it.

Well, at least I’m not the only one to think that that one guy is “headless”;

https://youtu.be/6d5O_NUMfAc?t=164

(I don’t know howto make the link skip to a specific point so he mentions it at 2:44)

TV’s Frink said:

https://youtu.be/6d5O_NUMfAc?t=159

(Click to the time you want to link to, right click, “copy url at current time”)

Thanks.

ZkinandBonez said:

Tobar said:

C-3PO is an expert in human-cyborg relations. I want to know more about these cyborgs and why they’re seemingly held at arm’s length from the rest of the galaxy. Perhaps cyborgs think they’re better than the non-enhanced?

Well, in the Legends canon they were discriminated against by most people, so it could be that they generally avoid the public.

Valance the bounty hunter in the old Marvel comics kept his cyborg status a closely guarded secret. He hated his existence so much, he often paid to have someone round up derelict droids for him, so he could blast them to pieces.
Kind of interesting that Vader showed interest in him and possibly some respect, well before we knew the extent of Vader’s own injuries.

TV’s Frink said:

Is anyone else a bit confused about the tech looking closer to TFA-era than OT-era? Or did I just misread that on my one rushed viewing of the trailer?

That was one of the complaints about the prequels (especially ROTS) which was that it didn’t look similar enough to the OT. Obviously for this one we have the Death Star, Walkers, TIEs and X-wings, etc., but it seemed like it might be treading too close to “newer tech” and not the used tech of the OT.

I dunno if I’m explaining this very well.

Nah, I agree and it’s been bugging me for ages.

Ever since the PT a lot of the feel of the design has been off. You can see it especially in costumes and creatures and just the general aesthetic of the universe. When you look at the costumes, a lot of the beats say “OT” but the feel is more PT to me. The droid looks far more PT than any contemporary droid we saw in the OT. The new ships (the U-Wing and Krennic’s Shuttle) have the “we tried to make this look like an OT ship” feel to them without actually feeling like OT ships. The guns all look like generic sci-fi guns that have been “Star Wars-ized”. They’re using too many new and custom things rather than repurposing real-life things to fit the universe, and it shows.

To me it feels like there’s definitely been more prequel influence than there has OT influence ever since Episode I, even when they go on and on about how they’re “going back to the early concepts” and “the feel of the original trilogy”. They are definitely trying to recapture the OT feel, and I appreciate it, but it’s never felt as genuine and natural as it did in the OT.

Won’t stop me from enjoying the movie, but it’s definitely something I’ve noticed and has been under my skin for awhile now.

TV’s Frink said:

Is anyone else a bit confused about the tech looking closer to TFA-era than OT-era? Or did I just misread that on my one rushed viewing of the trailer?

That was one of the complaints about the prequels (especially ROTS) which was that it didn’t look similar enough to the OT. Obviously for this one we have the Death Star, Walkers, TIEs and X-wings, etc., but it seemed like it might be treading too close to “newer tech” and not the used tech of the OT.

I dunno if I’m explaining this very well.

It’s a 2016 film using 1977 imagery, so it might be a little weird seeing these iconic designs filtered through modern filmmaking techniques. At least on a subconscious level.
The Empire always had the spit, polish and shine, except for sand troopers.

Lord Haseo said:

I won’t lie visually this looks more interesting than TFA. They seem to be going a little out there in terms of the locals which is always great as the unfamiliar should be a part of every new Star Wars film. The only real concern about the film I have is with the story seeing as how we know how it’s going to end. How they can make it suspenseful like STAR WARS (another movie in which the ending was obvious) is going to be interesting to see.

If a film has to focus on suspense and plot twists then it ends up being a forgettable film. Suspense looses almost all value after initial viewing. The great films rely on character interactions, interesting story points and visually impressive environment. These are the things that make film worth re-watching over and over again.

SilverWook said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tobar said:

C-3PO is an expert in human-cyborg relations. I want to know more about these cyborgs and why they’re seemingly held at arm’s length from the rest of the galaxy. Perhaps cyborgs think they’re better than the non-enhanced?

Well, in the Legends canon they were discriminated against by most people, so it could be that they generally avoid the public.

Valance the bounty hunter in the old Marvel comics kept his cyborg status a closely guarded secret. He hated his existence so much, he often paid to have someone round up derelict droids for him, so he could blast them to pieces.
Kind of interesting that Vader showed interest in him and possibly some respect, well before we knew the extent of Vader’s own injuries.

The whole Valance the Hunter storyline always made me wonder if people within the Empire, or people in general, knew that Vader was a cyborg.
Then again I doubt that anyone would have been brave enough to give him crap for it.

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is anyone else a bit confused about the tech looking closer to TFA-era than OT-era? Or did I just misread that on my one rushed viewing of the trailer?

That was one of the complaints about the prequels (especially ROTS) which was that it didn’t look similar enough to the OT. Obviously for this one we have the Death Star, Walkers, TIEs and X-wings, etc., but it seemed like it might be treading too close to “newer tech” and not the used tech of the OT.

I dunno if I’m explaining this very well.

Nah, I agree and it’s been bugging me for ages.

Ever since the PT a lot of the feel of the design has been off. You can see it especially in costumes and creatures and just the general aesthetic of the universe. When you look at the costumes, a lot of the beats say “OT” but the feel is more PT to me. The droid looks far more PT than any contemporary droid we saw in the OT. The new ships (the U-Wing and Krennic’s Shuttle) have the “we tried to make this look like an OT ship” feel to them without actually feeling like OT ships. The guns all look like generic sci-fi guns that have been “Star Wars-ized”. They’re using too many new and custom things rather than repurposing real-life things to fit the universe, and it shows.

To me it feels like there’s definitely been more prequel influence than there has OT influence ever since Episode I, even when they go on and on about how they’re “going back to the early concepts” and “the feel of the original trilogy”. They are definitely trying to recapture the OT feel, and I appreciate it, but it’s never felt as genuine and natural as it did in the OT.

Won’t stop me from enjoying the movie, but it’s definitely something I’ve noticed and has been under my skin for awhile now.

The new guy compares favorably to droids of the OT.



Interesting that the new droid’s chest piece looks like Dengar’s chest armor.

SilverWook said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is anyone else a bit confused about the tech looking closer to TFA-era than OT-era? Or did I just misread that on my one rushed viewing of the trailer?

That was one of the complaints about the prequels (especially ROTS) which was that it didn’t look similar enough to the OT. Obviously for this one we have the Death Star, Walkers, TIEs and X-wings, etc., but it seemed like it might be treading too close to “newer tech” and not the used tech of the OT.

I dunno if I’m explaining this very well.

Nah, I agree and it’s been bugging me for ages.

Ever since the PT a lot of the feel of the design has been off. You can see it especially in costumes and creatures and just the general aesthetic of the universe. When you look at the costumes, a lot of the beats say “OT” but the feel is more PT to me. The droid looks far more PT than any contemporary droid we saw in the OT. The new ships (the U-Wing and Krennic’s Shuttle) have the “we tried to make this look like an OT ship” feel to them without actually feeling like OT ships. The guns all look like generic sci-fi guns that have been “Star Wars-ized”. They’re using too many new and custom things rather than repurposing real-life things to fit the universe, and it shows.

To me it feels like there’s definitely been more prequel influence than there has OT influence ever since Episode I, even when they go on and on about how they’re “going back to the early concepts” and “the feel of the original trilogy”. They are definitely trying to recapture the OT feel, and I appreciate it, but it’s never felt as genuine and natural as it did in the OT.

Won’t stop me from enjoying the movie, but it’s definitely something I’ve noticed and has been under my skin for awhile now.

The new guy compares favorably to droids of the OT.



Interesting that the new droid’s chest piece looks like Dengar’s chest armor.

Eh, I just don’t agree. I’ve done a lot of comparisons, but the Rogue One droid just falls into the uncanny valley of the OT for me (where it’s similar but just off enough to make it weird).

It has some of the main beats of the droids that were in the OT, but it’s just missing something.

Tyrphanax said:

SilverWook said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is anyone else a bit confused about the tech looking closer to TFA-era than OT-era? Or did I just misread that on my one rushed viewing of the trailer?

That was one of the complaints about the prequels (especially ROTS) which was that it didn’t look similar enough to the OT. Obviously for this one we have the Death Star, Walkers, TIEs and X-wings, etc., but it seemed like it might be treading too close to “newer tech” and not the used tech of the OT.

I dunno if I’m explaining this very well.

Nah, I agree and it’s been bugging me for ages.

Ever since the PT a lot of the feel of the design has been off. You can see it especially in costumes and creatures and just the general aesthetic of the universe. When you look at the costumes, a lot of the beats say “OT” but the feel is more PT to me. The droid looks far more PT than any contemporary droid we saw in the OT. The new ships (the U-Wing and Krennic’s Shuttle) have the “we tried to make this look like an OT ship” feel to them without actually feeling like OT ships. The guns all look like generic sci-fi guns that have been “Star Wars-ized”. They’re using too many new and custom things rather than repurposing real-life things to fit the universe, and it shows.

To me it feels like there’s definitely been more prequel influence than there has OT influence ever since Episode I, even when they go on and on about how they’re “going back to the early concepts” and “the feel of the original trilogy”. They are definitely trying to recapture the OT feel, and I appreciate it, but it’s never felt as genuine and natural as it did in the OT.

Won’t stop me from enjoying the movie, but it’s definitely something I’ve noticed and has been under my skin for awhile now.

The new guy compares favorably to droids of the OT.



Interesting that the new droid’s chest piece looks like Dengar’s chest armor.

Eh, I just don’t agree. I’ve done a lot of comparisons, but the Rogue One droid just falls into the uncanny valley of the OT for me (where it’s similar but just off enough to make it weird).

It has some of the main beats of the droids that were in the OT, but it’s just missing something.

It’s probably because he’s CG. Other than that it’s a pretty OT-type design.

TV’s Frink said:

I didn’t mind TFA looking a little off because it can be explained by progression. But if RO looks more like TFA than OT, that doesn’t make sense.

Yeah I’m with ya on it.