'Rey Skywalker' (Upcoming live action motion picture) - general discussion thread — Page 7

DZ-330 has said all there is to be said about the matter much better than I ever could, with harsh facts and a sharp mind.

Stating thoughtful opinions here that doesn’t match with the current cult following in America is seemingly so bad of a deal you are branded a wifebeater and anti-woman before the keys have been pushed on your keyboard, and everything is forcefully misunderstood so you can be the victim and the other the purpetrator.

And in good faith all I can muster from the rest of the responses here is attempted bullying and hatred rather than the use of the brain’s primary function; to think. And that’s in good faith. In really good faith. I’m not gonna bend over backwards. And that was in good faith I read that btw.

Greetings, in good faith.

don’t project your fixation on it as everyone else’s

Politics aside… I did enjoy most of Ms. Marvel, especially the episodes that Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy directed.

I am rooting for this movie to do well. Rey has so much potential as a character, and I can see Sharmeen’s background as a director being one of the reasons why she was chosen to helm this film.

I just wish they would give more attention to that instead of clickbait articles designed to cause arguments.

I, as a newly-confirmed anti-female (who is together with a beautiful woman who is way smarter than me but don’t tell her that!), by the jury of Neverar and NSFBisms, I also hope the film does well. I really, really do.

And I hope the director knocks it out of the park. And I hope Rey gets great character development and is allowed to stand on her own two feet. And although Rey is a rather bland character to me, Daisy is not! But! that will not matter if the politics behind the project will be more important than the story and its characters, which Disney has made a huge thing these past few years.

I think there is hope - but it might be a fool’s hope. 😃

BedeHistory731 said:

Anjohan said:

DZ-330 has said all there is to be said about the matter much better than I ever could, with harsh facts and a sharp mind.

Stating thoughtful opinions here that doesn’t match with the current cult following in America is seemingly so bad of a deal you are branded a wifebeater and anti-woman before the keys have been pushed on your keyboard, and everything is forcefully misunderstood so you can be the victim and the other the purpetrator.

It’s better than the cult following in America that gets people like me killed for “being different” and threatens to strip away our rights.

I’m thinking, all right. Thinking about the safety of my friends.

It saddens me to hear that you fear for the life and rights of you and your friends, and although I don’t know which specific case or scenario you refer to here (when it can be a multitude), no one should have it like that. I wish you health and safety, regardless of who you think I might be as a person.

When it comes to film and tv media, my stance has been known - although heavily misunderstood by many. I’d argue it’s even been forcefully misunderstood the second time around.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think you hate women, the anti-woke position is just silly. I think you’re being incurious, not bigoted. It’s not like me and Nev are pro-Disney

Well, now you are going back on your initial first post that you removed, so that’s not completely true now, is it?

As for the anti-woke position, I’ve lost complete control of the word woke. Does anyone really understand the meaning of it anymore? Everyone is using it left, right and center. Does it mean racist? Anti-female? Nazi? Anti-transgender? Does it mean you’re an idiot? A smartass?

You know what I am anti? I am
Anti anti-film. And you know what I find anti-film? Political agendas overly focused on gender and diversity rather than a good story with good characters. I don’t watch Star Wars or Donald Duck to be told that women rule the world now or that we need more women in power. I watch films to watch men and women share a common goal and obstacles in a fictional world that might resemble our own.

And when a director has to tell the public that the film is in the right direction because a woman is directing it (end of sentence), rather than WOMAN’S NAME IS MAKING STAR WARS EPISODE X - a wish come true for her, then it is anti-film. It focuses on the agenda rather than the film then.

Now, how long are agendas going to be the focal point rather than the film, and tell me, how is that going for them over there?

So no bro, I’m anti anti-film.

Woke no longer has any meaning to me - Darth Vader

I think both the woke and anti-woke are silly. The more Americans are against each other the less they are against the larger corporations and shady government officials that are profiting off of their misfortune.

I miss the times when people could disagree and have differing opinions without be labeled to one side of the extreme or the other.

Anjohan said:

Well, now you are going back on your initial first post that you removed, so that’s not completely true now, is it?

I withdrew it (before you had responded then btw) because I felt you would interpret it that way, and didn’t want to do exactly what we are doing now lmao. It wasn’t until your reply that I decided I should reframe it to you more fairly, since you had apparently seen it already anyway.

Now, how long are agendas going to be the focal point rather than the film, and tell me, how is that going for them over there?

I just think this is silly. “Agendas” are only the focal point of film if you have brainrot framing it that way to you every time, if you’re looking to be upset about it. And I get if it bothers you, but to prop it up as the problem with the film industry / Disney is laughable, especially when every dipshit decision Bobs Chapek and Iger have made is a matter of public record. Pandering is one spineless tool in Disney’s vast chest of unprincipled means, choosing to die on that hill alone is silly.

I’m excited to see how Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy will handle and interpret Steven Knight’s script . As to the ongoing conversation in this thread , I’ll just leave this here …https://screenrant.com/star-wars-new-jedi-order-movie-controversy-absurd/

screams in the void said:

I’m excited to see how Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy will handle and interpret Steven Knight’s script . As to the ongoing conversation in this thread , I’ll just leave this here …https://screenrant.com/star-wars-new-jedi-order-movie-controversy-absurd/

Same here, and nice article. I enjoyed that.

Gandalf the Cyan said:

I, for one, am cautiously optimistic. I don’t want to get my hopes up too high, but she and Knight are both pretty competent.

And yeah, it’s crazy that people are hating on this movie while it’s still in pre-production.

Yeah, I really hope this does well,
 

It is crazy that simply stating that she is the first woman and person of color to direct a Star Wars feature, with the inference being in 2024 it is “about time” this has happened. So what? It is a fact. How important or relevant it is to people of course will vary.

Personally I want to see people from different walks of life and experiences from across the world make Star Wars films and TV series. To being something different “to the table”, whether in story, tone, or style, and what is has to say. Her background is a fascinating one, as a journalist, and documentary maker, and now film maker. I’m looking forward to this film with her directing it, than I would be if JJ was coming back to do it, or other random Hollywood based or the latest “hot-shot” studio director was doing this, or people close to Lucasfilm like Filoni & Favreau.
 

The rest of that CNN interview was more interesting, personally. Sharmeen talking about a role model who stood out in her journalistic and film making life, the importance of a support structure in difficult times, and the opportunity for other people from minority backgrounds to be given a chance, like someone did for her. So they can tell their own stories. Her film company in Pakistan enabling others to do that in making 15 films last year, and 15 films this year.

The 3 minute CNN interview with Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/12/31/exp-nye-2024-pakistan-obaid-chinoy-123111aseg3-cnni-world.cnn

Imagine thinking a corporation has a leftist agenda. lawl. Just goes to show how obscenely skewed to the right the Overton window in America is.

Seek to be beyond victimhood and you will find strength and wisdom, be a victim and you will find only pain.

In the words of Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy during these dark times in Star Wars:

I’m not a trained film maker, just an activist and we’re in 2024, and it is time we had a woman come and shape the story of Star Wars and I enjoy making men feel uncomfortable, and I enjoy that power.

Boy, it sounds like she’s about to make quite the impact on Star Wars!

Now, I hope her heart and mind is at the right place on this endevaour, because she has fire and passion! It just seems to… be… targeted at… men? That’s unfortunate, especially if you look at the suicide ratio in men. They could really need to feel included as well.

Nothing would please me more then a good Star Wars movie! Let’s hope she crafts something wonderful, with strong male and female characters. 😃

Happy new year. And must men and women rule the world together, as they should!

But as for her credentials, what I think she would pull off amazingly if she made a very dark Episode X with poverty, slavery and abuse as focal points. She has the history and knowledge and experience of a strong, traumatized woman and if she crafts a compelling narrative in that sort of vain I think we could get a thrilling, dark and emotional Star Wars film that could take us on an adventure where we also could learn a thing or two about life.

Anjohan said:

In the words of Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy during these dark times in Star Wars:

I’m not a trained film maker, just an activist and we’re in 2024, and it is time we had a woman come and shape the story of Star Wars and I enjoy making men feel uncomfortable, and I enjoy that power.

Boy, it sounds like she’s about to make quite the impact on Star Wars!

Just a little fact check.

The “I enjoy making men feel uncomfortable” part of your sentence is from 2015, from the “Women In The World” Summit.
 

The relevant part of the video with Sharmeen can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP0Tcu577I0

^ It is a 2 minute video from the “Women In The World” YouTube channel.
 

I am not going to type the entire conversation out, but this is her reply to the question asked by host Jon Stewart:

“I enjoy making men uncomfortable. It is important to be able to look into the eyes of a man and say ‘I am here and recognize that, recognize that I am working here to bring something that makes you uncomfortable and it should make you uncomfortable because you need to change your attitude… it’s only when you’re uncomfortable… when you have to have difficult conversations, that you will perhaps look at yourself in the mirror and not like the reflection. And then say maybe there is something wrong with the way I think or maybe there’s something wrong with the way that I am addressing this issue.”

^ The conversation was about her 2012 Oscar winning documentary Saving Face (IMDB link). Saving Face covers the subject of the under-reporting and underplaying of acid violence against women due to cultural and structural inequalities towards women from Pakistani men.

There were over 100 acid attacks in Pakistan in 2012. Although the number was estimated to be much higher as acid attacks were often underreported for fear of not being taken seriously, reprisals, and many victims could not afford medical treatment.
 

• According to an independent estimate, between 1994 and 2018 some 9,340 people fell victim to acid attacks in Pakistan.
• 80% of known acid attack victims are female and almost 70% are under 18 years of age.
• Giving birth to daughters instead of sons, not bringing enough dowry to their in-laws’ houses, rejecting marriage proposals, the denial of sex in marriage, and the sexual rejection of men and boys when outside of marriage, financial and property disputes, family disputes, are some of the main reasons given for acid attacks.
• Victims of acid attacks are often reluctant to report the attack due to: reprisals, stigma and shame from their own family, lack of convictions rates against richer families and caste system (quoms).
 

According to the Acid Survivors Trust International, 80% of acid attack victims are women, making it part of gender-based violence. Although men are also targeted by attackers, the issue affects women disproportionately and is more likely to occur in societies with pronounced gender inequality. This practice perpetuates gender inequality and reflects the poor position of women in the Pakistani society, who are at serious risk of attacks at any moment, not only from strangers but often also from their own husbands and family members.

The rights of women, as a minority group, are frequently overlooked in an attempt to shield the ones responsible for the violation of their rights. Women are frequently being denied their human rights in many different practices that are still occurring in the Pakistani society, like honour killings and forced marriages. Perpetrators are still rarely captured and women in poor families are especially vulnerable. More than 90% of the reported cases are not settled because of the perpetrators’ wealth. Rich individuals are more easily able to evade the legal system and the police charges, with the police reluctant to challenge their social status. There are instances where the perpetrator of acid attack is also a police officer (see sources below).

Similarly to other countries in South Asia, Pakistani households have a strong preference for sons. Parent fertility remains incomplete until and unless the desired number of boys are born. Son preference prevails in rural areas, due to male inheritance of agricultural land, and males being seen as better suited to work the land. Boys are often given better access to resources, healthcare, and education. Prenatal sex-selection is more common among the upper classes who have access to medical care and technology, while abuse after birth (infanticide and abandonment) is more common among the lower classes. Girls who are unwanted are often forced into early marriage. Son preference has effect on the status of Pakistani women. Women bearing at least one son have higher say in household decision-making. According to Pakistani surveys and statistics, Pakistan has witnessed 40 million abortion of female children in the past 50 years.
 

 
• https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/acid-attacks-pakistans-worst-social-epidemic
• https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2021/11/01/growing-acid-attacks-in-pakistan
• https://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/186967/ismail_faria.pdf?sequence=3 (masters thesis, from the Åbo Akademi University, Finland)
• www.humanrights.asia/resources/journals-magazines/eia/vol-4-no-1-february-2010/http-www-humanrights-asia-resources-journals-magazines-eia-eiav4a1-3-acid-attacks-a-serious-concern-in-pakistan
• https://www.actionaid.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/acid_attacks_form_of_vawg_against_women_and_girls.pdf
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_Pakistan (Female infanticide in Pakistan)
• https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2016/06/16/profile-sharmeen-obaid-chinoy