Vladius said:
StarkillerAG said:
Fan_edit_fan said:
Can we just…please…stop bringing up personal politics when talking about the quality of SW writing, acting and directing? 🤷♂️
Yes, please. If a black character or female character is written like crap, it’s not because they’re black or female, it’s just because they’re written like crap. Anti-wokeness is the biggest disease that infects modern movie discourse.
You know this already, but the anti-woke point is that they’re written like crap, and their female, black, etc. status is picked ahead of time as a shield for criticism. This happens constantly. All the “anti-woke” talking heads that hate on Disney fully backed John Boyega when he called them out for messing up his character.
Can we just stop with this please, it’s so freaking stupid, there are legitimate reasons for disliking the sequel trilogy but all of this anti-“woke” bullshit is just racism and sexism masquerading as criticism. Yes sometimes a studio will insert a minor gay character kissing, or a character giving a small line about potentially not being straight, which can easily be removed from international versions of the film in countries where being gay is illegal, and that did happen in Rise of Skywalker, but that’s not the same as what these people are arguing. What’s really happening is racists and sexists are using “wokeness” as a shield so they can try and cast themselves as being not racist and sexist and that the real problem is Hollywood trying to inject “wokeness” or more accurately just make women and people of color more prominent in Hollywood movies to reflect what the world actually looks like. But most people can see through the criticism for stuff being “woke” for what it really is, people’s racism and sexism coming out. To respond to your point about Finn, Boyega’s criticisms are backed up because they’re actually rooted in stuff that actually happens in the trilogy. Each movie continues to reduce his relevance to the main plot and characters to the point where by the end of the trilogy Finn is basically turned into Rey’s cheerleader with little to actually do other than scream Rey’s name. However, the “anti-woke” critic’s you’re conflating with backing his claims, don’t have any basis in fact or the story and are just racists being angry that a black man is a main character in Star Wars and they’re trying to glomp onto Boyega’s valid criticisms as an attempt to not appear racist even though those “anti-woke” critics really are. I’m sorry that you’re so cynical that you think Disney is intentionally choosing women and people of color so they can write bad characters and have people defend the movies so they don’t have to try. Disney throughout the sequel trilogy definitely treated Finn and Rose’s characters poorly and then did absolutely nothing to try and call out the rabid racists and sexists trying to dox and ruin the actor’s lives, something they thankfully rectified in Obi Wan with Moses Ingram, regardless of if you think the character was well written or acted, the sheer hatred and vitriol she received from racists and sexists on twitter was completely unacceptable, just as when the same thing happened to John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. And if your criticism is that Disney should write the story and characters well so this doesn’t happen to them I’d agree. But I’m tired of people constantly pulling the woke criticism card and shoving it into every conversation about Disney’s Star Wars to say they’re not trying even though they clearly are. Despite what some people may think, tons of passion and effort went into making, at least episodes 7 and 8, a good Star Wars movie regardless of if we think they succeeded or not. I thought episodes 7 and 8 were great despite their obvious flaws, I do agree that episode 9 was really awful, but I do think there is some cause for excitement about this new movie as there is a chance it can help to potentially wash out the bad taste of episode 9 if done well, although it’s still far away from coming out, and the potential writer’s strike might delay it even more. But as The Mandalorian, Andor, and the Bad Batch have proven Disney is capable of making great Star Wars shows so there’s a chance this could be good as well.
