Revenge Of The Cut - Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith (* unfinished project *) — Page 9

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Bingowings said:

We are all the sum of our memories.

Experiments funded during the cold war used electroshocks and LSD to remove all but the basic functional memories of some patients suffering from mental illness and the result was to essentially kill the person they once were and create a new person from scratch.

Threepio may still have the same voice and character traits but he would not have any recollection of his past.

If this happened to a friend of yours you wouldn't be happy.

The edited Vader Birth scene is less ridiculous but it's still silly.

I'd lose the cuffs and just have him stand.

Palpatine could start to explain that Padme is reported dead but Vader would still be stuck in betrayal mode and just shuts down the conversation.

"She no longer means anything to me", is more Vader, he might have turned to the dark side to save her but once he is there he claims not to care.

The good man he should have been is buried under scar tissue, technology and self loathing.

He kills his former best friend and mentor and is happy to do so in ANH, Padme would be as dead to him alive as she would be if she had physically died.

Besides Padme needs to stay alive for a couple of years anyway so that Leia can remember her (not unless Vader's rebuild took a long time).

Vader is to Palpatine what some employees at LFL are to GL: the yes men.

P: You killed her.

V: Yes Master.

I think that could be more accurate, it's Vader accepting anything palps tells him, and it could be Vader accepting he killed padme on purpose.

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This last sentence I've written made me wander...

Why on earth would Vader blindly accept any order and comment, and never talk back to Palpatine if that's all what he did to his former Jedi masters...?

Dark side, or Light side, vader is still anakin... we see it in ROTS... Darth Vader IS Anakin with Padme. Why wouldn't he have that particular change of temper??

Yes, I'm working with samples

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There's some really great work in this thread.

The new droid theme made me feel as if I was watching the OT for a second!

Cutter, even if you don't share some criteria with Bob, I think it could be an interesting exchange of material (if both you and him agree) between your edit and his.

For what I've seen so far, you try to get the movie the closest possible to the OT in terms of humour and dialogue... and musically of course. Lately Bob is doing an effort to achieve the same visually. Don't know if you have seen what he did replacing some movement mattes for some old shool static mattes, or with the holograms of the emperor. Anyway, I'll leave you the links here.

Hologram Test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?=LJ0rrilAXtM&feature=channel_video_title

Senate Matte replacement

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=DpCJZrfWujs&feature=channel_video_title

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Now that I see your really into the musical side of the edit... I always wondered about the imperial march and Vader first strike to the Jedi (the jedi slaughter)... I always thought that could be the ultimate moment for using the crescendo of Darth Vader's theme (ESB OST), which hasn't been used anywhere else in the whole saga. I know you already placed the Imperial march in that scene, though I think it'd fit even better if you place not just the clasic melody of the march but the part that starts at 2:00 in this vid, or a variation of it in order to fit the footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZTQYsqSGc&feature=fvst

(the two first links do not work)

I think I have try that (Vader theme) but it was too hard because of the startpoint and the endpoint, that's the difficulty when we want to change music...sometimes it's really a headache.

I already created a new music for this sequence few years ago...but my samples wasn't good enough..., it sounded fake. Now I have a good brass library to achieve this kind of music, so I will work on it again. I called this piece : Lord Vader first strike

so...coming soon !

and yes, I would be happy to exchange "materials" with Bob, I love his work...I will ask him once his edit completed

The Cutter said:

Bingowings said:

Palpatine could start to explain that Padme is reported dead but Vader would still be stuck in betrayal mode and just shuts down the conversation.

 

Yeah, I am already working on this other version, but it's not easy because of the music cut

if only I could have more James Earl Jones material

hard one...but I finally took the time to get exactly what I want.

Concerning the music, I am mainly inspired by "Final duel " and "The Death of Darth Vader" to give a great "OT touch" to the scene (and make a music connection between "birth" and "death" )

The true birth of Darth Vader :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVvmPMWxLvU

That is so much better.

The Cutter said:

it's already Christmas

Musical Vision part 3 : Droid's mind wiped

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pjg00rSTWc

This is a great improvement too but in that context it might better to change Threepio's line to something like "Oh No!" or "Don't forget me" (if that's possible).

Artoo's response is greatly improved but perhaps using the noise he makes in ANH in response to "and I don't like you either" a little louder would tie together just how upset the little guy is.

It might make sense to pitch shift the score to a more melancholic key (D-Minor?).

This completely turned this scene from facepalm to epic.  Congratulations!

I like that Vader refers to Padme as "it."  It makes him seem cold and it's clear he has severed all of his emotional connections for good.

This scene really shows the power of the dark side over an individual.  Vader has just renounced the very thing that pushed him to the dark side in the first place.  Any trace of humanity is dead.  It's all about power now.  Even though Kenobi just defeated him, his faith in the dark side has grown.  Vader doesn't seem redeemable now.  And it's so much more in line with how he acts towards Luke in ESB.

In fact Vader seems so evil that Palpatine comes off as the good guy in this scene, informing a man of his dead wife without waiting to be asked.  I like the open mouth expression Palpatine has.  It's like even he doesn't believe how far Vader has fallen.  The evil laugh at the end now makes more sense.  He is pleased with his unexpected success.

Now if only the ending of the duel could be fixed... 

Love what you achieved here cutter. Though just to be nitpicking, a few suggestions to make it even better:

Change "it" for "she" or "that" (if possible, though someone pointed out you might have done it on purpose).

When Vader says that he now knows the power of the DS the camera starts to shake, though... it cuts too fast to the things blowing up. Keep the shaking a little bit more just to make it feel not so abrupt. (you could add a persuasive "yeeeeeeesss" of palpatine here).

Nothing to say about music, it's amazing. Infact, it's amazing to have an actual composer as a fan editor :)

Congrats 

Bingowings said:

It might make sense to pitch shift the score to a more melancholic key (D-Minor?).

 
I'm stuck concerning the tone because there are remnants of music in Bail's voice...I have to stay in the same tone to avoid conflicts.

gobalicious said:

This scene really shows the power of the dark side over an individual.  Vader has just renounced the very thing that pushed him to the dark side in the first place.  Any trace of humanity is dead.  It's all about power now. 

In fact Vader seems so evil that Palpatine comes off as the good guy in this scene, informing a man of his dead wife without waiting to be asked.  I like the open mouth expression Palpatine has.  It's like even he doesn't believe how far Vader has fallen.  The evil laugh at the end now makes more sense.  He is pleased with his unexpected success.

 

This is exactly what I wanted to express with this cut : )

Mithrandir said:

Change "it" for "she" or "that" (if possible, though someone pointed out you might have done it on purpose).

When Vader says that he now knows the power of the DS the camera starts to shake, though... it cuts too fast to the things blowing up.

 Yes, "she" is my first vision, but I was not sure if it makes sense in english (I am french...)

Concerning the shot, I can't extend it too much because I need material for the second strike (but I can extend it a little)

and I tried to make Palpatine say : "yesssss"  or "goooood " but it does not work because the sound space is already overcrowded at this moment...and make him only laugh at the end has a greater impact.

it's done :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvpT_7BMAc

I replaced "it" by "she" and I lengthened slightly the sequence before the first explosion

wow niiiiice. never thought that scene could be salvaged!

Does Palpatine ever say wife?

I ask because I just can't stand JEJ saying "Padme" and it sounds a bit odd to have Palpatine start his sentence, without mentioning who he is talking about.

I know it's obvious to us and contextually to the characters but it just doesn't sound right in English.

If he said, "Your wife...it seems in your anger, you killed her", it sounds more genuine.

Palpatine's false concern is one of Ian's few good moments as the wrinkly one in ROTJ.

Unfortunately, I already tried everything "Padme, your wife, Amidala, senator Amidala" and it doesn't work : the tone, the flow, the sound (even with eq, pitch, speed correction),...are not homogeneous.

The only think I can do is : Vader : "where is padme ?" but it doesn't make sense with : "She no longer as any meaning for me"

any other suggestions are welcome, but it seems hard to do better with the material we have

Mmmhm, I got something in mind. Don't get me wrong it's excellent how you edited it so far. But since you said you are receiving ideas/suggestions...

First the things blow up, while hearing the screams - cut to padmé and obiwan... padme dying - cut back to Coruscant.

Vader gets risen up, Palpatine (who's a little afraid of Vader, considering how the things started to blow up during the surgery):

-"Lord Vader, can you hear me?"

-"Yes master"

-"To cheat death is a power (...)"

- (Vader interrupts palpatine) "She no longer means anything to me master... now (...)"

So why does palpatine start telling vader all that text about cheating death? He's just scared about what Vader in physical pain did.