Now it sounds like "Parade of the Slave Children" meets "Leaving Home"
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
Now it sounds like "Parade of the Slave Children" meets "Leaving Home"
I am glad ! I am not working here to create something new, very personal...but trying to fit Williams style.
how many things in Williams work sounds close to other ? sometime there is unsubtle copy/paste with minor change...so, where is the problem if I do the same ? I don't understand.
rpvee said:
2. The theme will no longer come out of nowhere during the final duel.
3. We'd be so used to hearing it so friendly and "good", that hearing it so apocalyptic with a choir while these brothers duel to the death would be extra heart-breaking.
it's a good idea, but for now, I am not sure if I will let Battle of the heroes in my cut...as I already said, I like it, brillant work, but not enough Star Wars IMO
The Cutter said:
fishmanlee said:
Now it sounds like "Parade of the Slave Children" meets "Leaving Home"
I am glad ! I am not working here to create something new, very personal...but trying to fit Williams style.
how many things in Williams work sounds close to other ? sometime there is unsubtle copy/paste with minor change...so, where is the problem if I do the same ? I don't understand.
if your not going to make something new..... then why not just paste the actual recordings?
Not all of williams works sound as close to each other as your piece does, his are usually just similar styles, but yours is an almost blatant rip-off, I mean, I like williams pastiche as much as the next guy, but if John Williams did decide to write a motif for Anakin and Obi-wan, I think it would sound different.
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
if your not going to make something new..... then why not just paste the actual recordings?
If you do not see the difference between the actual recording and all variations I have done so far...what can I do ?
by something new I mean : my personnal style, new original theme etc
The Cutter said:
I need the Skywalker ranch to put your idea on screen ^_^
Mainly and heavily inspired by Superman soundtrack, here is my vision of "Obi-Wan and Anakin's theme" as it could have been composed by Williams in the eighties :
Love it!
The Cutter said:
fishmanlee said:
if your not going to make something new..... then why not just paste the actual recordings?If you do not see the difference between the actual recording and all variations I have done so far...what can I do ?
by something new I mean : my personnal style, new original theme etc
well thats what people want, for example with Star Trek the motion picture, there had already been a main theme set, however Jerry Goldsmith opted to write a new theme, I think a new theme would be better than a theme steal, its rather lazy writing.
and I liked your variations so far because...well... they are varitations of themes already in STAR WARS (Vader's theme, Luke and Leia, Leia's theme, and the Imperial Motif), this is a variation of a theme that is not in star wars, so it does not mesh well.
BTW I do not think you should be so dead set on using certain ideas and not taking the criticism and working more on them more, remember Binary Sunset had to be re-written because it did not fit the scene, if Williams had objected to rewriting it, well, we might not have the music for the funeral pyre in JEDI.
And have you given thought to how your new pieces might effect the musical narrative? just curious.
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
The Cutter said:
if I had posted this first :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBEidzHy1Qno one would have recognized Superman soundtrack (Leaving home)
This is an heroic variation of the frienship theme for the space battle sequence.
When I close my eyes I envision Spartacus on the big galley ship. Nice one.
fishmanlee said:
BTW I do not think you should be so dead set on using certain ideas and not taking the criticism and working more on them more, remember Binary Sunset had to be re-written because it did not fit the scene, if Williams had objected to rewriting it,
and who will pay me for my work ? ; )
a film composer can't do what he want on an official project...he can't create exactly the music he want, and he can't refuse re-writting. First of all, he must satisfy the director and the producer.
This is not really comparable with what I am doing here...I am just here for fun.
but be sure that I am taking seriously all criticism..., sometime it open my eyes on new things, sometine I just disagree.
Williams work, and movie music in general is filled with references, influences, copy/paste... from classial repertory and from other movie composer. When you know this, you no longer take it too seriously and you stop jumping from your chair each time you hear something close to another, or copy/paste.
So, by your logic, we should not worry about George Lucas messing up Star Wars again? because the film world is filled with Special Editions and stupid sequels and prequels?
If the Blu-rays had all of the OT replaced with CG and purple tint would you say "I no Longer take this seriously, if he wants to do it, he can, and I will watch and not worry about it"
Is that not against the mission of this site?
You should do better than ILM/LF/GL/JW not the same.
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
I think a new theme would be better than a theme steal, its rather lazy writing.
and I liked your variations so far because...well... they are varitations of themes already in STAR WARS (Vader's theme, Luke and Leia, Leia's theme, and the Imperial Motif), this is a variation of a theme that is not in star wars, so it does not mesh well.
I understand your point, and you are right. But you have to know how and why I come to this : to find inspiration, good mood...I used a temptrack on the sequence on which I want to work. This time I used "Leaving home" and it matches the sequence so perfectly that I did not want to lose this. That's why I stay as close as possible.
But as I have already said : with another orchestration the resemblance will not be so noticeable
and it's not a question of laziness : it's a really hard work... sometime it's more easy to create something 100 % new
I just want to let you know, that I am not trying to be rude or anything, and I still respect your work, just this idea didnt really work for me.
I apologize if I got too heated.
BTW, you think you could come up with a good/better Droid/Villian theme?
I think something similar (not exactly the same notes, but the same mood) to this would be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wJRrvVgZI
or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQKLKElPBY
But its still up to you.
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
So, by your logic, we should not worry about George Lucas messing up Star Wars again? because the film world is filled with Special Editions and stupid sequels and prequels?
I am talking about a common process in movie music : the temptrack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temp_track
...it has nothing to do with the quality of the final product...just the fact that there is nothing new in movie music because producer and director said : "we want this , a music exactly like this one..."
even Williams - wich is a genius for me - "steals" (to take your word) ideas from other composer (classic composers, or old movie composers)
But you were saying, since they did something bad, I can do it too, but you do not have to, Goldsmith was told to write something exactly like Superman for Supergirl, He didnt, Goldsmith was told to write music for Star Trek The Motion Picture similar to Star Wars, He barely did.
but its your piece of music and it works.
maybe this will be some inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvu3hCmHRf4
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
a little example :
My examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG5OsfOuEy0
Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBmI68OyiPQ
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3-bv8BfLMo
vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyirYV9UCb0
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
I get how temp tracks work.
now lets move on.
" BTW, you think you could come up with a good/better Droid/Villian theme?
I think something similar (not exactly the same notes, but the same mood) to this would be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wJRrvVgZI
or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQKLKElPBY
But its still up to you.
maybe this will be some inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvu3hCmHRf4 "
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
But you were saying, since they did something bad, I can do it too,
I didn't say : "I have to do..." but : "why I could not ?"
all of this, only for one reason : only and simply because I find that this music works very well.
I understand. (could you read my post above ^)
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3-bv8BfLMo
vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyirYV9UCb0
Goldsmith should have copy/paste Superman...it would have been much better :)
I don't think so.
and I meant this post:
" BTW, you think you could come up with a good/better Droid/Villian theme?
I think something similar (not exactly the same notes, but the same mood) to this would be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wJRrvVgZI
or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQKLKElPBY
But its still up to you.
maybe this will be some inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvu3hCmHRf4 "
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
I apologize if I got too heated.
BTW, you think you could come up with a good/better Droid/Villian theme?
I think something similar (not exactly the same notes, but the same mood) to this would be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wJRrvVgZI
or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQKLKElPBY
no problem !
Yes, I have planed to create a new Grevious theme, a darker one
fishmanlee said:
" BTW, you think you could come up with a good/better Droid/Villian theme?
I think something similar (not exactly the same notes, but the same mood) to this would be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wJRrvVgZI
or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQKLKElPBY
But its still up to you.
maybe this will be some inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvu3hCmHRf4 "
X3
Lol you said that once!
I love the theme TheKcutter I cant wait to listen the heroic version of it :)
-Angel
Angel said:
fishmanlee said:
" BTW, you think you could come up with a good/better Droid/Villian theme?
I think something similar (not exactly the same notes, but the same mood) to this would be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wJRrvVgZI
or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQKLKElPBY
But its still up to you.
maybe this will be some inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvu3hCmHRf4 "
X3Lol you said that once!
Your point? (seriously though, I didnt think he saw it so I reposted it, call me stupid or whatever)
I love the theme TheKcutter I cant wait to listen the heroic version of it :)
-Angel
Yeah I like this version of it also (at 1:30): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYj8nChItw
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
My point is he will reply when he wants if he wants or he even cares ;)
Back to theKcutter
-Angel