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chyron8472 said:

ZigZig said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

Yes.

To assume so makes far less sense. The universe is too complex, intricate and balanced to have been completely generated from nothing by nothing for no reason.

Citation needed.
Looks like you presents a fact to me. Again.

…far less sense to me.

Seriously. -.-

More acceptable. Thank you. Seriously.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

It’s the creation of the universe we’re talking about here. It can’t be fact. None of it. Not to us. You know that.

…why?

Because we can not gather the irrefutable data required. We do not have it. We can not get it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

It’s the creation of the universe we’re talking about here. It can’t be fact. None of it. Not to us. You know that.

No, I don’t.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

It’s the creation of the universe we’re talking about here. It can’t be fact. None of it. Not to us. You know that.

…why?

Because we can not gather the irrefutable data required. We do not have it. We can not get it.

Hmmmm…

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chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

Yes.

To assume so makes far less sense. The universe is too complex, intricate and balanced to have been completely generated from nothing by nothing for no reason.

Opinion noted.

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There is testimony we can acquire, but that is not irrefutable nor scientific.

And what do you care anyway?

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

It’s the creation of the universe we’re talking about here. It can’t be fact. None of it. Not to us. You know that.

…why?

Because we can not gather the irrefutable data required. We do not have it. We can not get it.

…why?

Never say never, dude.

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

Yes.

To assume so makes far less sense. The universe is too complex, intricate and balanced to have been completely generated from nothing by nothing for no reason.

Opinion noted.

Yes. But not invalidated.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

Yes.

To assume so makes far less sense. The universe is too complex, intricate and balanced to have been completely generated from nothing by nothing for no reason.

Opinion noted.

It’s the same thing people say about evolution.

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chyron8472 said:

There is testimony we can acquire, but that is not irrefutable nor scientific.

…how do you know that?

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chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

Yes.

To assume so makes far less sense. The universe is too complex, intricate and balanced to have been completely generated from nothing by nothing for no reason.

Opinion noted.

Yes. But not invalidated.

Opinion noted again.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

There is testimony we can acquire, but that is not irrefutable nor scientific.

…how do you know that?

Are you asking how do I know there is testimony we can acquire? Or as you asking why it wouldn’t be irrefutable or scientific?

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

ZigZig said:

chyron8472 said:

ZigZig said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space. There was no “beginning” before the beginning because before the beginning there was no time. As our universe expands, so does the boundaries of the space-time continuum. God created it. Therefore, he does not have to exist within it.

And therefore, because he created time itself and space itself, he is omnipotent and omnipresent because he is capable of being everywhere all the time.

 
Also, people who discount the existence of angels have never considered the concept of extradimensional planes of existence on which other beings may exist and be capable of some level of interaction with this one.

Apparently, you take everything literally as undeniable facts that must be read in the first degree without thinking nor smiling: the Bible as much as Frink’s posts …

Regarding the Bible: I did not say my understanding of God creating time and space is fact. It is my understanding.

dahmage said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

you act like you just made an irrefutable point

No.

You said “God literally created time and space.”.
It looks like you present it as an indeniable fact to me…

But you are inferring that on your own. I did not say it is indeniable. Do I have to say “In my opinion” or “From my perception” or “How I have come to understand it” at the beginning of my posts in order for them to not be perceived as my saying they’re fact?

It might not have been your intention, but to me it came across as a factual statement. And I don’t seem to be alone with this interpretation. I really would have appreciated a more subjective phrasing.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

There is testimony we can acquire, but that is not irrefutable nor scientific.

…how do you know that?

Are you asking how do I know there is testimony we can acquire? Or as you asking why it wouldn’t be irrefutable or scientific?

Yes, your second question.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

There is testimony we can acquire, but that is not irrefutable nor scientific.

…how do you know that?

Are you asking how do I know there is testimony we can acquire? Or as you asking why it wouldn’t be irrefutable or scientific?

Yes, your second question.

Because that’s not how science works. With testimony, there is credibility in question. How credible is the witness? and so forth. By its nature, testimony is subject to unprovable scrutiny (that is, scientific scruity, not court-of-law scrutiny) and is not irrefutable.

To refute testimony scientifically is to use the wrong test. The correct test would be “beyond a reasonable doubt” as in a court or some such.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

There is testimony we can acquire, but that is not irrefutable nor scientific.

…how do you know that?

Are you asking how do I know there is testimony we can acquire? Or as you asking why it wouldn’t be irrefutable or scientific?

Yes, your second question.

Because that’s not how science works. With testimony, there is credibility in question. How credible is the witness? and so forth. By its nature, testimony is subject to unprovable scrutiny (that is, scientific scruity, not court-of-law scrutiny) and is not irrefutable.

To refute testimony scientifically is to use the wrong test. The correct test would be “beyond a reasonable doubt” as in a court or some such.

How would there be testimony at the dawn of the universe? Nobody was alive back then. I don’t understand your point.

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yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

Yes.

To assume so makes far less sense. The universe is too complex, intricate and balanced to have been completely generated from nothing by nothing for no reason.

Opinion noted.

It’s the same thing people say about evolution.

What do people say about evolution?

To say that animals evolve to suit their environment, or that genetic mutations win or lose out over time to the ultimate change of a species or development of new ones… that’s not the same things as to say that humans evolved from primates.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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If God existed before everything else, then who or what created God? Since nothing else existed, the definitive answer is that nothing could have created God, and its existence is not only ineffable, but logically unsound. Something cannot come from nothing. The universe itself also suffers from this problem. People who posit the existence of God and/or the universe are implying that the very principles of logic are so broken that literally anything follows from an argument. I could say that because some flower pots are red, Australia is made of bricks and it would be just as logical as saying that God or a universe arose from nothing.

And there’s no need to bring higher dimensions into it. Any other dimensions would still be things, and still need explanations like anything else. The entire conundrum is quite simple: If God/the universe actually exists, then logic is at best a passing and local phenomenon, and our existence depends upon the capricious whim of chaos beyond our control or understanding. If however nothing exists, then everything we see, everything we appear to be, is actually an illusion. Yet only in this explanation is logic preserved.

Because of this, I say that God is nothing. It is emptiness, it is Truth beyond logic, it is peace beyond illusion. It was never created, it cannot be destroyed. It is omnipresent, yet always hidden behind illusion. Yet only with illusion can things appear to happen, and this illusion is the source of all misunderstanding and evil.

Now if only the religions of this little world would just get along.

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

There is testimony we can acquire, but that is not irrefutable nor scientific.

…how do you know that?

Are you asking how do I know there is testimony we can acquire? Or as you asking why it wouldn’t be irrefutable or scientific?

Yes, your second question.

Because that’s not how science works. With testimony, there is credibility in question. How credible is the witness? and so forth. By its nature, testimony is subject to unprovable scrutiny (that is, scientific scruity, not court-of-law scrutiny) and is not irrefutable.

To refute testimony scientifically is to use the wrong test. The correct test would be “beyond a reasonable doubt” as in a court or some such.

How would there be testimony at the dawn of the universe? Nobody was alive back then. I don’t understand your point.

Testimony about it. From the dawn of our universe.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

God literally created time and space.

Citation needed.

Now really. How would he have explained the space-time continuum to people who lived thousands of years ago? And when such an explanation would have been beside the point?

I didn’t ask for a citation on how he created it, I asked for a citation on that he created it.

As opposed to it happening spontaneously?

Yes.

To assume so makes far less sense. The universe is too complex, intricate and balanced to have been completely generated from nothing by nothing for no reason.

Opinion noted.

It’s the same thing people say about evolution.

What do people say about evolution?

To say that animals evolve to suit their environment, or that genetic mutations win or lose out over time to the ultimate change of a species or development of new ones…

Nah, people all the time seem to be confused about how a process like evolution could create such complex beings. Things like “how could evolution create something so complex as an eye?” etc.

that’s not the same things as to say that humans evolved from primates.

Do you believe this isn’t so?