It’s never wise to ask for something conclusive regarding religion.
I would like your personal views, and what your religions teach.
On the two specific answers, would I know I’ve been separated from God? The ceasing to exist part doesn’t sound like hell, it sounds like the most likely thing that happens to everyone that dies, so that’s a strange way to look at hell IMO.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/7-truths-about-hell/
Ironically, in doing away with hell, you do away with the very resources that show God’s justice. When a person goes through rape or child abuse, she needs to know that there is a God of such holiness and beauty that his reign can tolerate no evil.
Well, his reign tolerates no evil unless it says it’s sorry about being evil…why should we do away with the very resources that show God’s justice when He just does away with it himself, ammirite?
It’s never wise to ask for something conclusive regarding religion.
I would like your personal views, and what your religions teach.
On the two specific answers, would I know I’ve been separated from God? The ceasing to exist part doesn’t sound like hell, it sounds like the most likely thing that happens to everyone that dies, so that’s a strange way to look at hell IMO.
I don’t belong to a religion fwiw. If one believes in souls and God, ceasing to exist = destruction and not something that happens as a matter of course to everybody. Between eternal paradise and ceasing to exist, it seems a great punishment.
Being separated from God would entail knowledge of it. Spending eternity with no meaning and no escape.
The blue elephant in the room.
Ok.
Mrebo said:
Between eternal paradise and ceasing to exist, it seems a great punishment.
Not really. I’d much rather cease to exist.
The Person in Question
Mrebo said:
Between eternal paradise and ceasing to exist, it seems a great punishment.Not really. I’d much rather cease to exist.
Can confirm. I feel like eternal paradise would be wasted on mfm.
I hear the cheeseburgers are good tho
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I hear the cheeseburgers are good tho
That’s the worst part, he couldn’t complain about them.
Mrebo said:
Between eternal paradise and ceasing to exist, it seems a great punishment.Not really. I’d much rather cease to exist.
Can confirm. I feel like eternal paradise would be wasted on mfm.
Is that an insult?
The Person in Question
Nah, just a comment on how grouchy you seem some days.
Probably applies to me as well.
It’s never wise to ask for something conclusive regarding religion.
I would like your personal views, and what your religions teach.
On the two specific answers, would I know I’ve been separated from God? The ceasing to exist part doesn’t sound like hell, it sounds like the most likely thing that happens to everyone that dies, so that’s a strange way to look at hell IMO.
I don’t belong to a religion fwiw. If one believes in souls and God, ceasing to exist = destruction and not something that happens as a matter of course to everybody. Between eternal paradise and ceasing to exist, it seems a great punishment.
Being separated from God would entail knowledge of it. Spending eternity with no meaning and no escape.
Interesting. I guess to a person who doesn’t believe there is a deity, neither of those sounds like any kind of punishment at all.
I waffle on my belief as to what happens after death, and it really depends on if a “soul” is a real thing.
If there’s no such thing as a soul, then we simply cease to exist, which is no different than not existing before we are born, and I didn’t mind that (because, you know, I didn’t exist).
If the soul is real, then I believe in some variation of reincarnation, though I think it’s random (not “karma” based or whatever) and has to be another human.
The latter means some souls must be created rather than recycled, since the birth rate and death rate aren’t equal, which means I generally tend to believe there is no soul and the reality is the ceasing-to-exist possibility.
The attitude that it’s murder to abort a six-week-old fetus but a person who murdered a fully developed person can completely wipe the slate clean by accepting Jesus is revolting to me.
Murder is murder.
If you think aborting a six week old fetus is in any way comparable to someone coming into your house at night and killing your family, raping the corpses, and burning the house to the ground…
This post is ridiculous. When did I ever compare those situations? The killing of multiple people, raping the corpses, and burning the house are all things that you added to make me sound absurd even though I never mentioned those things. All I’m saying is that killing a person who is outside the womb at any age is considered murder by pretty much everyone, and in my opinion killing a fertilized egg/fetus is also murder. Is it “more bad” to kill a 14-year-old girl than a six-week fetus? Yeah, I guess, but both are still killing a living human being, which makes them both murder.
Both can be redeemed.
Ah yes, all is forgiven, just accept Jesus. Nothing you ever did matters anymore, the people whose lives you destroyed don’t matter, all that matters is that you’re sorry. Lovely.
I mean, not exactly, but you seem to be incredibly dense and willfully ignorant on this subject so I’m not going to argue about that.
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The attitude that it’s murder to abort a six-week-old fetus but a person who murdered a fully developed person can completely wipe the slate clean by accepting Jesus is revolting to me.
Murder is murder.
If you think aborting a six week old fetus is in any way comparable to someone coming into your house at night and killing your family, raping the corpses, and burning the house to the ground…
This post is ridiculous. When did I ever compare those situations? The killing of multiple people, raping the corpses, and burning the house are all things that you added to make me sound absurd even though I never mentioned those things. All I’m saying is that killing a person who is outside the womb at any age is considered murder by pretty much everyone, and in my opinion killing a fertilized egg/fetus is also murder. Is it “more bad” to kill a 14-year-old girl than a six-week fetus? Yeah, I guess
I stopped reading right there. “Yeah, I guess” when comparing a six-week-old fetus to a 14-year-old girl. Unbelievable.
And sorry for being so dense and ignorant. [eyeroll]
The “yeah, I guess” wasn’t meant to undermine the 14-year-old girl, it was just an admittance that they are different situations. I shouldn’t have phrased it as less of a handwave.
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The “yeah, I guess” wasn’t meant to undermine the 14-year-old girl, it was just an admittance that they are different situations.
However you seem to think they’re way too similar. “Murder is murder” trivializes the 14-year-old, sorry.
I shouldn’t have phrased it as less of a handwave.
No you definitely should have phrased it as less of a handwave!
Saying that both are murder makes one of them not matter? How?
If I were to say, “killing a 24-year-old man is murder, but killing a 67-year-old woman isn’t because that life is worth less,” that would be ludicrous. Both are murder. It doesn’t matter which one was the more morally wrong when you’re deciding what defining term to attach to it. All are examples of murder, they just are under different circumstances and have different affects.
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I shouldn’t have phrased it as less of a handwave.
No you definitely should have phrased it as less of a handwave!
ugh…sorry
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Saying that both are murder makes one of them not matter? How?
If I were to say, “killing a 24-year-old man is murder, but killing a 67-year-old woman isn’t because that life is worth less,” that would be ludicrous. Both are murder. It doesn’t matter which one was the more morally wrong when you’re deciding what defining term to attach to it. All are examples of murder, they just are under different circumstances and have different affects.
Sorry I don’t understand, given that I’m dense and ignorant.
But you’re still trying to make comparisons that make no sense.
The 67 year-old is a conscious individual.
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So killing a surviving comatose man isn’t murder? Sounds reasonable.
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You mean like “pulling the plug”? No I wouldn’t call that murder.
If you literally mean somebody who is passed out or whatever from an injury that will probably regain consciousness isn’t murder, then that comparison is so stupid i don’t even know how to phrase it without being offensive.
Yeah, I think keeping a comatose person alive for years with no hope of a solution is inhumane.
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Setting aside poor phrasing that seems to run counter to what Dek is saying, Dek’s point makes plenty sense when understood that he is speaking about the moral value of a life.
To illustrate, miscarriage is common in pregnancy and usually occurs fairly early on. Losing a child at 6 weeks is painful. I think losing at several months would feel worse. I don’t know that either of those compares to losing a child at 14 years old. That’s not to say that each life has a different moral weight, but the sense of loss seems greater for different situations. In the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” thread there was discussion of it being basically ‘worse’ when a young person dies. I think that’s the thinking that caused Dek to fall into that poor phrasing while trying to talk about moral value of life. He tried to recognize the reality of those feelings while trying to stick to his point.
As for the use of the word “murder,” I admit that doesn’t always sit well with me, but there are laws that treat the killing of a fetus or embryo as murder (as when someone assaults a pregnant woman).
The blue elephant in the room.