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Have I mentioned I don’t “get” conservative Christianity? 'Cause I really don’t.
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I think it’s safe to say they are against murdering babies? Which is a relief and something I think we can all agree on. Good thing abortion isn’t that!
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than me.
I’d just like to say that this is not really how it works. The rapist/murderer is not less of a sinner than you. He did not sin less than you just because that sin is forgiven. But, he will be saved rather than you, because he gave complete recognition to the person who bought him the choice to ask for forgiveness.
And it’s still just as repulsive of an idea.
If you say so. I suppose I better just move on with my repulsive and shitty life, though maybe I could better my reputation by murdering a few unborn children with no medical issues.
Dude…
I’m attacking an idea. Never called you a terrible or crappy person.
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Have I mentioned I don’t “get” conservative Christianity? 'Cause I really don’t.
Out of curiosity, could you define that? Google don’t give me a very definite answer.
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Have you tried asking it nicer?
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than me.
I’d just like to say that this is not really how it works. The rapist/murderer is not less of a sinner than you. He did not sin less than you just because that sin is forgiven. But, he will be saved rather than you, because he gave complete recognition to the person who bought him the choice to ask for forgiveness.
And it’s still just as repulsive of an idea.
If you say so. I suppose I better just move on with my repulsive and shitty life, though maybe I could better my reputation by murdering a few unborn children with no medical issues.
Dude…
I’m attacking an idea. Never called you a terrible or crappy person.
When you attack an idea that’s at the core of a person’s belief system, it’s kind of tough for them not to take it personally.
MTFBWY…A
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Have I mentioned I don’t “get” conservative Christianity? 'Cause I really don’t.
Out of curiosity, could you define that? Google don’t give me a very definite answer.
Most of what I see is just talking about politically conservative Christians, but there’s a Wikipedia disambiguation with a few different movements listed, so I’m just curious what’s being referred to.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
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Have I mentioned I don’t “get” conservative Christianity? 'Cause I really don’t.
Out of curiosity, could you define that? Google don’t give me a very definite answer.
The Christian right — fundamentalist/evangelical Christianity to be specific.
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The wiki pages discussing those things seem to be describing things that are inherent to Christian beliefs, so what kind of Christianity do you understand? Unless you’re referring to literalism?
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
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The wiki pages discussing those things seem to be describing things that are inherent to Christian beliefs, so what kind of Christianity do you understand?
Progressive and liberal Christianity.
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I’m just sitting at my computer, shaking my head that someone can think this way.
And that comparison is terrible.
And “nicer” is a terrible way to try and describe the difference between a rapist/murder and someone who isn’t convinced that Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God.
And some people in this thread wonder why I think religion is a terrible, terrible thing.
It actually makes a tremendous deal of sense. Imagine a person born into terrible circumstances, abused, exposed to drugs, etc. All he knows is violence and he acts accordingly. One day, he truly repents, asks Jesus for forgiveness.
Then you have a person born into relative privilege and benefits accordingly. S/he doesn’t believe in Christianity and acts like a fairly decent person. It doesn’t make sense the person had it easy gets a pass into heaven, basically by luck.
I understand your point that it doesn’t seem fair to condemn someone who is basically a good person. However sinful one may be, not accepting Jesus seems such a superficial fault. (The better versed to explain what that isn’t the case). I do wonder (and I have heard Christians wonder as well) whether God makes an allowance for those who find it difficult to accept the Bible/Jesus. I can see why it makes sense not to say that up front, since then people would feel free to ignore the Bible and just “be a good person,” however that makes sense to them.
What has been irreconcilable to me is the idea that you have to accept the Bible/Jesus in order for it to make sense, as that seems fairly backward.
The blue elephant in the room.
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than a homosexual person. That’s just stupid.
FTFY
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The wiki pages discussing those things seem to be describing things that are inherent to Christian beliefs
Which wiki pages are you looking at? Also, you may be surprised at the diversity of beliefs and ideas among Christians.
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The wiki pages for fundamentalism and evangelicalism. It said that the defining traits are belief in the virgin birth and the resurrection of Christ, which if you don’t believe in I’m hard pressed to find where the Christianity lies. And I’m no stranger to diversity in beliefs among Christians. I was responding generally because DE was referencing a generalization.
I’m not keen on literalism though. Not everything written in the books of the Bible should be taken at face value, especially in this era with the translations we have. There are so many metaphors that it’s sometimes hard to tell.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
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I think it’s safe to say they are against murdering babies? Which is a relief and something I think we can all agree on. Good thing abortion isn’t that!
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The wiki pages for fundamentalism and evangelicalism. It said that the defining traits are belief in the virgin birth and the resurrection of Christ, which if you don’t believe in I’m hard pressed to find where the Christianity lies.
I think DE is more referring to the total Biblical inerrancy (literalism), dispensationalism, and general social conservativism mentioned on the page for fundamentalism.
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Okay. That’s what I was asking him about.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
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The wiki pages for fundamentalism and evangelicalism. It said that the defining traits are belief in the virgin birth and the resurrection of Christ, which if you don’t believe in I’m hard pressed to find where the Christianity lies.
I think DE is more referring to the total Biblical inerrancy (literalism),
Eh, considering the Bible to be inerrant is different from considering it to be completely literal. It can still be inerrant while acknowledging relevant context of the original writings, the use of metaphor, and when the text itself acknowledges certain things are the opinions of the writer.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than me.
I’d just like to say that this is not really how it works. The rapist/murderer is not less of a sinner than you. He did not sin less than you just because that sin is forgiven. But, he will be saved rather than you, because he gave complete recognition to the person who bought him the choice to ask for forgiveness.
And it’s still just as repulsive of an idea.
If you say so.
It is. Imagine if our justice system worked that way.
I suppose I better just move on with my repulsive and shitty life, though maybe I could better my reputation by murdering a few unborn children with no medical issues.
I don’t really understand this one.
The Person in Question
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than me.
I’d just like to say that this is not really how it works. The rapist/murderer is not less of a sinner than you. He did not sin less than you just because that sin is forgiven. But, he will be saved rather than you, because he gave complete recognition to the person who bought him the choice to ask for forgiveness.
And it’s still just as repulsive of an idea.
If you say so.
I do too. It’s completely fucked up, and if God exists and is omnipotent, I don’t think he would judge someone based on their devotion to him, which he has no need for, being a perfect being. It’s lunacy.
I suppose I better just move on with my repulsive and shitty life, though maybe I could better my reputation by murdering a few unborn children with no medical issues.
Well I guess you get credit for throwing medical issues in there.
Too bad for women that were raped though I guess. Or for women with medical issues.
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than me.
I’d just like to say that this is not really how it works. The rapist/murderer is not less of a sinner than you. He did not sin less than you just because that sin is forgiven. But, he will be saved rather than you, because he gave complete recognition to the person who bought him the choice to ask for forgiveness.
And it’s still just as repulsive of an idea.
If you say so. I suppose I better just move on with my repulsive and shitty life, though maybe I could better my reputation by murdering a few unborn children with no medical issues.
Dude…
I’m attacking an idea. Never called you a terrible or crappy person.
When you attack an idea that’s at the core of a person’s belief system, it’s kind of tough for them not to take it personally.
Which is why I take it personally that I’m going to hell and a murderer isn’t!
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I’m just sitting at my computer, shaking my head that someone can think this way.
And that comparison is terrible.
And “nicer” is a terrible way to try and describe the difference between a rapist/murder and someone who isn’t convinced that Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God.
And some people in this thread wonder why I think religion is a terrible, terrible thing.
It actually makes a tremendous deal of sense. Imagine a person born into terrible circumstances, abused, exposed to drugs, etc. All he knows is violence and he acts accordingly. One day, he truly repents, asks Jesus for forgiveness.
Yeah but there’s no difference between that guy and the guy who rapes and murders for fun despite having every possible socio-economic advantage, and then one day he truly repents and asks Jesus for forgiveness.
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than me.
I’d just like to say that this is not really how it works. The rapist/murderer is not less of a sinner than you. He did not sin less than you just because that sin is forgiven. But, he will be saved rather than you, because he gave complete recognition to the person who bought him the choice to ask for forgiveness.
And it’s still just as repulsive of an idea.
If you say so. I suppose I better just move on with my repulsive and shitty life, though maybe I could better my reputation by murdering a few unborn children with no medical issues.
Dude…
I’m attacking an idea. Never called you a terrible or crappy person.
When you attack an idea that’s at the core of a person’s belief system, it’s kind of tough for them not to take it personally.
Which is why I take it personally that I’m going to hell and a murderer isn’t!
But you don’t believe that you are. The idea that you’re going to hell is not at the core of your belief system. And no one here is attacking your belief that you are not, nor shoving down your throat belief that you are.
You are taking personally against you an attack that is not happening here. So maybe you can tone it down a bit. Besides, as I said, your opinion has already been made and the dead horse need not be beaten further.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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All that matters is what I believe and what you believe doesn’t? Cool.
And you can report me if you feel I’ve crossed a line but I don’t see it.
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Hmmm…you believe different than I do? Ok, you’re going to be tortured forever after you die.
Oh, and that other guy who led a terrible life, raped, robbed, murdered, kicked puppies and pushed down old ladies, but accepted Jesus as his savior right at the end? He’s a better person than you are.
Nah, doesn’t seem like a shitty belief system at all.
A guy who accepts getting saved at the end isn’t gonna fool God if he’s not sincere. And if he’s sincere? Why wouldn’t that matter?
I mean how would such a guy have heard of Jesus anyway if not for someone else taking time to point it out to him. Someone who noticed he was on a destructive path and took a lot of effort to help him onto a better one?
I don’t know why you’d be against the idea that even a horrible person could find a way to redeem themselves. I mean can criminals be rehabilitated or not? Should we lock people up forever on a 1st offense? Or should we give them other chances?
A rapist and murderer who legitimately gives his life to Christ is less of a sinner than me.
I’d just like to say that this is not really how it works. The rapist/murderer is not less of a sinner than you. He did not sin less than you just because that sin is forgiven. But, he will be saved rather than you, because he gave complete recognition to the person who bought him the choice to ask for forgiveness.
And it’s still just as repulsive of an idea.
If you say so. I suppose I better just move on with my repulsive and shitty life, though maybe I could better my reputation by murdering a few unborn children with no medical issues.
Dude…
I’m attacking an idea. Never called you a terrible or crappy person.
When you attack an idea that’s at the core of a person’s belief system, it’s kind of tough for them not to take it personally.
Which is why I take it personally that I’m going to hell and a murderer isn’t!
Besides, as I said, your opinion has already been made and the dead horse need not be beaten further.
Yeah, everybody should just stop posting in this thread after they’ve shared their opinion once. In fact, if someone else shared a similar opinion, you don’t have to post anything at all. They already shared it for you.